Re: Shia-Sunni
Id agree unity is IMPOSSIBLE Nor do we want unity with haters of the Prophets (pbuh) beloved sahabies.
But PEACEFUL CO-EXISTANCE is possible.
And to the person who posted in answer of my post.
-My dear friend i have enough knowledge of beliefs of shias and sunis before going to or resorting to websites.
Once again all of your points are the typical shia ones of why the calaphs didnt do thsi why they didnt do that etc, which are already been refuted i havnt got the need nor time to educate u on these issues, thats why i referred u to ahlel-bayt.com.
Indeed there are many wbsites out there, but personally having reviwed many, i belive this one is the best for shais misconceptions because it answers each of your typical argumnets with consise manner, proofs and ref.s from Koran, and both sunni and shias sources.
This is a good website for any sunni brothers out there to learn about shias misconceptions/resent against sahabies.
So tell u in advance before trying to waste any sunnis time in debating in topics you will never agree, you might aswell go to that website which has all are replies for u in advance.
And yeh i do disagree with most of what you said, becaue it should be disagreed to.
The batlle between h.ali and h.aisha was result of misunderstanding and confusion.
H.aisha initially came out of her home to make peace not to fight.
In addition, both h.ali and h.aisha met and reconciled thier differances after the battle and the dispute was settled leaving no enemity.
And just because Allah has said to someone to stay at home, does it mean that for thier whole live they are never meant to step foot outisde home.
I apologize for hurting your feelins with the grammar, actually you know I was writing really fast and hurrdidly because i dont give much importance to this thread.
And What a foolish logic is you dislike h.aisha just because she fighted with h.ali.
If that is so, then from the same premise i could also come out being from love of 'mother of the belivers' , Aisha, who also being praised in sura.noor as chaste and righteous, by Allah, that as i dislike h.ali because he was her enemy?
But What foollishness this is though isnt it?
The fact is that both people were great and pious people, who muslims should both love and respect.
And I know the reality your 'dislike' for Aisha is much wider and deeper than this one issue, however that will take things in another direction, so i dont want to go there.
In conclusion, We have solid proof and logic for oursleves in our standpoint that there was nothing but love between the sahabies and ahleh-al-bayt, and we are going to stick to that.
And you have your oppsoing view-points which you will never budge. So lets why not leave it at that?
As far as we are concerned your beliefs and views are very offensive to us, hence we do not want to be unified with you.
And as the brothers posted above, even small differances of opnions can mean large diferances in tenents of faith, which is clear in the case of shias-sunnies.
When the most important and fundemental belief of faith is different how can there be unity:
-Your kalima is different. This is unacceptable to us
- Your azaan, wuzu, and prayer method is so diferent that according to our fiqh it doesnt even furfill the minimum condtions needed to be valid. This is unacceptable to us.
-Your namaz is different. Infact you curse each of the 5 sahabies after in namaz in your salams.
This is unacceptable to us.
Your Fasting is even diferent. You have variations in opening and closing fast times from sunnies, to such an extent that would exceed the time limits rules making fasting invalid.
-You belive that Your Imam are infallible.......we sunnies do not accept this, we belive no one was infallible apart from the prophet (pbuh)
And many other small differances in fundemnetal things like these make us a long distant apart.
Also you people beat yourself like crazy in muharam ahsura. Which the whole world looks at in amazement and awe at. All other muslims get the bad impression just because of your sole horrifieing act.
(And no thanks. dont try to prove it by koran quoting random wailing verses)
Hadith Bukhari: Nabi Pak said:
''Do Not Revile MY Companions, For A Mudd (kilo) Of Gold Or Silver Given in Charity By Them Is Equal to the size of Mount Uhud''
and:
Would you want to be friend with person who swears at your Imam h.ali and his Bibi Fatima??
WOULD U TOLERATE ANYONE ABUSING H.ALI? OFCOURSE NOT.
so NEITHER DO WE LIKE TOLERATE THOSE WHO ABUSE H.A.BAKR, H.UMER, H,AISHA!
SO lets FORGET UNITY.
And dont try to teach us iman, we have our knowledgeble scholars for that.
AND IM SORRY but your addtion of the kalima implies that the kalima nabi pak sent down was incomplete or imperfect, which implies an objection to nabi-pak!
How wrong!
You dont go round, adding or subtracting bits and pieces to established, stamped laws of faith!
Wel,, the above for us atleast is despicable, if you like it up to u, but dont expect us to comrpimsie with it.
AND TO NICE-BOY
Your new post, further indicative of a charged up shia, full of fake refs and quotes.
Boy i am too old for this taqqiyah crapiness. Go Home. I am well qauatined with hadiths nd the way u manipulate them. This aint gonna work in gup.shup!
I am not going to reply to decietful and logicless posts. And i said here before im not here to entertain shias.
Hope u get it..but i dont care keep doing it if it makes u happy.
IN TOTAL U PROVE how DIFFERENT and UNWORTHY u r of UNITY . So FORGET IT.
MAybe though youd be beter of conciling with the AHmadies as they also feel neglected.