These days the Shia Suni discussion is again taking heats in Pakistan. In past few years there has been lots of killing of Sunis and Shias. Shias say that sunis kill their people and Sunis say that Shias are the actual terrorists. I have given a very deep thought to this problem in Pakistan. I always fail to find to find either Sunis as killers or Shias as murderers. I have very strong belives that no Shia Muslim would ever kill a Suni and no Suni Muslim would ever kill a Shia. Because killing each other is neither Shia Muslim’s believe nor Sunis Muslims believe in Killing other Muslims. I have the strong feelings that there are some rats among us? Who these rats are?
If a person has a little judgment and wisdom, he/she can easily smell these rats that are always prompt to throw oil on the fire of Shia Suni differences. I would request to Shia and Suni Muslims that please do not get mad on each ohter so easily because this is the goal of the non-muslims. These non-muslims always try to make the muslims fight with each other and most of the time these people are successful, you know why, because they are so clever and their target is so innocent.
Why are you being so considerate in your choice of words! Let's call a spade a spade!
These internecine killings go on, because to put it bluntly, the leadership supports & condones it. These are not isolated events perpetrated by a 'few' or 'ignorant', these are carefully planned pogroms carried out by very dedicated people on both sides. And, their MOTIVATION comes from the FAULTY INTRPRETATION of Islam made by people,like brother Abdulla, for example, who on this Forum made the following quote from Quran- Shariff regarding the position of Non-believers in Islam, and I quote him -
"if a person dies or is killed and his believes were that of Qadianese, he is a jahannami as per Quran".
Please note:the word 'Qadianese' was used euphemistically and could be substituted for any "perceived non-believers", for example:Shias, Ahmedias, Hindus, Christians, etc.
In Pakistan,Afghanistan, Algeria, to name a few -- the real power comes from the neighbourhood mosques, and, FAULTY INTREPRETATION of the Quran, like the one made by brother Abdulla, is like a powder keg waiting to explode; and, explode it has-with bloody repercussions.
So, Abdulla's quote:
"if a person dies or is killed and his believes were that of Qadianese, he is a jahannami as per Quran" sanctifies and glorifies the killings of Non-believers or kafirs. If this is not FAULTY INTREPRETATION of Islam then please tell me what is? And, why do we have to keep quiet? and, keep quiet we do, because the penalty for speaking out is complete ostracism and even violence.
Brother Adbulmalick, Yes I am very considrate and selective in choice of my words and sentences.
I would not agree with a single word you said in your post. If you do not agree with brother Abdulla's posts, it has nothing to do with the Shia Suni killing. The theme of my post is not starting arguments between two muslims. My concern is to stop this argumentation between the Muslims and find the real rats and real snakes.
Brother Abdula's posts have nothing to do with the Shia and Suni conflicts.
I am not a sunni or shia but as a Pakistani I would like to comment on this issue.
We usually tend to blame our mistakes on others. Especially pakistanis. Whenever there is a bomb blast in pakistan, the leaders of pakistan will come on tv and say, IS SAAZISH MAY GHAIR MULKI HAATH HAY. or they will say KOI MUSALMAAN IS KISAM KI HARKAT NAHIN KAR SAKTA. How ironic. on one hand we say that a muslim cannot do such a thing and on the other hand we say that usama bin laden is our hero.
As msaqib said, there are rats between us. Yes there are rats. But unfortunately, we haven’t recognized those rats. Those rats are really big rats. HUGE!!!Do you know who are they? They are our leaders. The leaders of shia sect the leaders of suniis, like sipah-sahaba etc. Accept this fact that we are misguided by our leaders and nothing else.
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Abdulmalik
If you think Qadiani, Hindu, Christian, Jews all will go to Paradise, then i believe you are wrong. Because Quran clearly tells us the condition for going to Paradise. And it clearly says one who rejects Quran is a disbeliever and will be the fuel of hell. It is surprizing to see your comments as i already gave some ayats in support of what i said, were they difficult to understand ??
I agree with brother msaqibj, there are some enemies of Islam who are adding fuel to the fire.
The best way to put away the differences is by following Quran and sunnah of prophet SAW, because out of many sects only one will go to jannah which followed the way of Prophet SAW and his companions RAA. (according to hadith).
Dear Abdullah,
Despite the fact that you gave ayats which mean that those who reject koran are fuel of hell; you must also not for get the ayats that i gave to you some time ago, which told you to mind your own business.
here i quote again, a few of them which i remmeber:
"You are not a watcher over them"
( alghasia : 22 )
"How can you constrain people till they believe?"
( yonus : 100 )
"We have not appointed you a watcher over them. Nor are you their gurardian."
( al inaam : 108 )
in short,
" Mind you own business! "
As usual you have made a great mistake in understanding Quran:
Surah Al Ghashiya
Therefore do remind, for you are only a reminder.
You are not a watcher over them;
But whoever turns back and disbelieves,
Allah will chastise him with the greatest chastisement.
Surely to Us is their turning back,
Then surely upon Us is the taking of their account.
Allah SWT says to Prophet Mohammed SAW in this ayat that you are not held responsible for the disbelievers. You are to spread the message of Islam ("Therefore do remind, for you are only a reminder") and if someone does not believe you ("You are not a watcher over them" ) then his account is with Allah SWT ("Surely to Us is their turning back, Then surely upon Us is the taking of their account")
So, Allah SWT wants to minimize Prophet SAW's sadness (because of the people going against islam), that he SAW has to just convey Allah SWT's message and Prophet SAW is not accountable for their disbelieve.
Wallah O Alam Wassalatu Wassalamu Ala Nabiyyana Mohammed
Mr Jewel quoted some ayaats of the Quran and then according to his understanding this is what he explained their meaning.
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Mind you own business!
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. So is that what Allah is ordering prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) to mind his own business whatever they do. My dear respected friend if he had just minded his business without paying any attention to the condition of the people, the entire world including your esteemed Mirza saheb who was supposedly born in a muslim family, would have born kafirs with no way of differentiating truth from falsehood.
I love it when our brothers can so aptly refer & quote from the Quran - but LOST in the melee is the Real Message of Islam.
I asked this question before and I'll ask it again because you guys are shirking it!
QUESTION:
1)Does differing intrepretation of Islam allow leadership/mullah to order the taking of One's Life? Please do not blame this on Govt., as I said before: the internecine killings are being done by 'very devoted people' on both sides with popular support.
Also, our brothers are under the delusion that only Muslims and only one sect of Islam will go to Paradise. Again, this is another MOTIVATION for our 'ignorant' brethren to commit their killings - because their leadership quotes from the holy book, like our brother Abdulla did, and sudenly our 'ignorant' brethren is a Mujahideen. People with blood on their hands are dreaming of entering Paradise!!
The Quran is allegorical and subject to intrepretation, meaning it HAS to conform to changing time & environment; its intrepretation has to respect the beliefs of others and ALWAYS, ALWAYS imbibe the spirit of Compassion & Tolerance.
Re your question
QUESTION:
1)Does differing intrepretation of Islam allow leadership/mullah to order the taking of One's Life? Please do not blame this on Govt., as I said before: the internecine killings are being done by 'very devoted people' on both sides with popular support.
The answer is very simple. For each crime the Quran and Sunnah provide a punishment. The thief who steals gets his hand chopped (depending on the circumstances). So there is every incentive for the thief NOT to steal. For those who choose to negate the finality of the Prophethood of Muhammed (SAW) and distort the meanings of the Quran the punishment is death, and again there is every incentive for them not to follow this path. You see, Buddhism and Sikhism came after Islam, but Muslims do not go round killing these Kafirs. Why? because they started a NEW religion, and did not mischeviously attempt to negate and distort the previous one.
You say:
"People with blood on their hands are dreaming of entering Paradise!!
The Quran is allegorical and subject to intrepretation, meaning it HAS to conform to changing time & environment; its intrepretation has to respect the beliefs of others and ALWAYS, ALWAYS imbibe the spirit of Compassion & Tolerance."
Who are you trying to kid? I will show you in a new thread entitled "Qadianis abolish Jihad - The Truth" just how much blood on is on the hands of the Mirza sect and their British masters. So don't give me any of your Compassion and Tolerance bakwaas. If you are so tolerant then i suggest you shut up and tolerate the islamic punishment meted out to apostates.
Dear Adbulmalick: I never claimed to be a knowledgeable person and would never claim that. I am just taking the privilege to answer your questions.
Adbulmalick
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1)Does differing interpretation of Islam allow leadership/mullah to order the taking of One's Life? Please do not blame this on Govt., as I said before: the internecine killings are being done by 'very devoted people' on both sides with popular support.
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My Answer to your this Question is BIG NO
Adbulmalick
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Also, our brothers are under the delusion that only Muslims and only one sect of Islam will go to Paradise.
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My answer to your this question is BIG YES
As I understand, you are pointing towards brother Abdula's statement. In my view brother Abdula's Statement is 100% true. All it needs is more explanation.
Abdula
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The best way to put away the differences is by following Quran and sunnah of prophet SAW, because out of many sects only one will go to jannah which followed the way of Prophet SAW and his companions RAA.*(according to hadith)*.
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I think it is more clear in abdula's statemtnt that who will go to Jannah.
He did not say that Shia will go to Jannah, he did not mention that Suni will go to Jannah, he did not say that one will go to Jannah and the other will go to Jahanam. He clearly mentioned that who ever follow the way of Prophet (SAW) and his Ashaaba RAA will go to Jannah. To me it is quite clear that does not matter if a person call himself what, he/she would go to Jannah as long as he/she follows the Prophat Muhammad (SAW) and his Ashaba (RAA). Because there is a Hadith that the only group of people would go to Jannah who {(maa anaa ilaehee w ashaabee) plese correct my wording if I did not write the correct script} will follow me and my Ashaba RAA.
I live my life, I care my own, I speak my mind, I make minds. ("Copy and Paste commands have created a group of people who think that they are intellectual. Congratulations to these "copy and paste" scholars", Well… thanks to Bill Gates.) I live my life, I care my own, I speak my mind, I make minds.
[This message has been edited by msaqibj (edited April 21, 1999).]
I started this thread to warn the Muslims abou the actual enemies of Islam. One I called the rats and others I called them snakes.
any one can tell me where these rats come from and who are these snakes we are raising in our houses.
Mr. Xtreme says:
"You see, Buddhism and Sikhism came after Islam, but Muslims do not go round killing these Kafirs. Why? because they started a NEW
religion, and did not mischeviously attempt to negate and distort the previous one."
True, Sikhism came after Islam. But Buddhism!! Where do you read your history from? Mecca institute of world history? Buddhism has been around before any of the biblical prophets were potty trained, you ignorant.
Still some people are trying to take the discussion away from the topic.
Okay here is my clue
I called the rats which come outside the Pakistan and take part into the terrorist activities and I call the snakes to those who are living inside the Pakistan but are taking part in the terrorist activities. My strong believe is that neither Shia nor Suni come under any of these categories, then who are these rats and snakes?