Re: Shia Muslims Please Define Muttah
Pathani, prove a single point wrong, that i have written in my post 9 years ago. You can argue about 100 things but what I said is 100% true. Forutnately, I did finish my apprenticeship of LL.B in Session Court Lahore. Engouh said, nothing more left.
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never knew abt this thing....... im like starryeyedsurprised right now......
soo... wat kinda circumstances lead to this 'muttah' ? like citizenship/visa issues?? or property/ will issues....?? or simply cuz it kinda legalizes ur gettin laid (by ur government and NOT in the court of Allah) without havin to feel guilty?
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think this belongs in religion
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*Najim *... bohat buray phansay aaj 9 saal baad :-DD
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never knew abt this thing....... im like starryeyedsurprised right now......
soo... wat kinda circumstances lead to this 'muttah' ? like citizenship/visa issues?? or property/ will issues....?? or simply cuz it kinda legalizes ur gettin laid (by ur government and NOT in the court of Allah) without havin to feel guilty?
Look, if you arent informed about a sudden religious practice, that does not make it wrong.... This was practiced by Sahabas at the time of Prophet Muhammed pbuh. Now, ask yourself why did it come in practice?
Do some research instead of just making your own "personal fatwa".
God has created sexuality in human kind. It does not go away just because a person is single etc. This practice is also done in sudden Arab societies, so we cant say its beyond the decree of the laws of Islam. Different schorlars have their view when it comes to mutah.
** Mutah is NOT for girls whom are unmarried.** They need to stay virgin and keep themselves pure. Mutah is for those woman, widows and divorcees.....
You cant deny the fact, our society especially our men prefer to have virgin girls to get married to. Its perfectly ok, but where are the out siders suppose to go or to do? Should widows or divorcees then turn to zinah because they can not control their need? We cant just say, its expected of women to deny their sexuality. Its do-able for a time limit...but then, we are human and end of the day, no one can remain without total physical contact at an young age.....
When things really go bad, it turns to honour killings...because society looks down upon the males of the family whom can not "control" their female relatives......
I might be annoying some due to my very forward way of addressing this issue, but I think, I can handle it due to my choice of further studies and current proffession.
So, if women stands between the choice of zinah or mutah, for heavens sake, Id say...go for mutah. There is no excuse for zinah when mutah is an option, God has given man kind. We can argue why and by who it was all of sudden no longer right to practice in Islam. I shall try to find hadice etc historical reference, to put it at larger aspect.
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^^ ok, in all due respect, we totally can't compare ourselves to the lives of those who were there in the times of our holy Prophet (pbuh). in that case, he himself married countless women to save them from slavery and other inhuman treatment, however, in Islam, men are only allowed 4 wives!
anDDD, dude, instead of giving anyone a choice between 'zinah' n 'muttah', why not give anyone who's hormonally challenged the choice between 'zinaah' n 'nikaah'!!!!
with all your knowledge and professional background..... why dont you enlighten me and the rest of us in the CORRECT teachings of Islam, post some url's for us to read upon.
in my understanding of ISLAM, sLEEPING WITH ANYONE WITH WHOM YOU DONT HAVE UR NIKAAH DONE IS HARAAAAAAAAAAM!!
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Its a practice that the prophet allowed I believe in certain circumstances.
Later one of the first three caliphs decided that it shouldn't go on. People who didn't side with the caliph on other issues, ignored the ruling. Most of those people were shia folks, along with some other sunni groups.
Thats the political aspect of it, in a nutshell. Its not a religious thing. Absolutely not.
I dont know of other incidents in historical perspective, where a sudden khalifa objects/annuals a practice that has been legalized by Prophet Muhammed pbuh?
Doesnt it take a new law bearing prophet to "edit" the set of former decrees?
Is it only me, or doesnt any other person wonder over this?
History tells us, when Sahabas went on long journeys over several months along with Prophet Muhammed pbuh (even war), the men would get restless. Meaning, they had problems to remain without sexual contact over these lengthy periods. It made them loose their concentration etc. Mutah was the answer.
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Who re-initiated this thread after 9 years. I saw my name (second post) and thought that its another Tariq Khan (a new member, maybe). Then realized it was me, with a little diffrent screen name, 9 years ago.
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ok, in all due respect, **we totally can't compare ourselves to the lives of those **who were there in the times of our holy Prophet (pbuh). in that case, he himself married countless women to save them from slavery and other inhuman treatment, however, in Islam, men are only allowed 4 wives!
anDDD, dude, instead of giving anyone a choice between 'zinah' n 'muttah', why not give anyone who's hormonally challenged the choice between 'zinaah' n 'nikaah'!!!!
with all your knowledge and professional background..... why dont you enlighten me and the rest of us in the CORRECT teachings of Islam, post some url's for us to read upon.
in my understanding of ISLAM, sLEEPING WITH ANYONE WITH WHOM YOU DONT HAVE UR NIKAAH DONE IS HARAAAAAAAAAAM!!
^Yeah as if Islam is unified under ONE jamaat or school of thoughts.
If you had any knowledge, you would KNOW mutah is a contract formed just as Niqah. The difference is time and conditions. The man is not responsible providing financially. And try not to write in BIG letters, dont shout, thanks! Make your point peacefully......
Are Sahabas not human? They were bashar just as rest of the crowd. Its so typical to portray sahabas or even prophets pbut as if they didnt have any sex drive? (We would exalt as human beings, if we strived for perfection.....)
And if (none time based) niqah was done so easily as you think, nobody would remain divorcée or widow? Did you feel the urge to to think out side your narrow conservative mind for once?
I am not going to refer URLs under any condition. Google as rest of the world does, bhenjee. Take time out and do research, instead of clinging to your "understanding" of Islam. I deny to wave banners for other sects or websites.
Islam is more than just one firqah...... and thanks heaven for that.
Yes, as nurse I get to face a lot of different cases. This is yet another taboo, just as majority of people believe elders dont have the need of intimacy etc. And I am to become sexologist in future, so I dont have any phobia related to the issue. There are many couples of Muslim origin having problems when it comes to intimacy.
So summa summarum: for some mutah is equal to time based niqah.
Let me clarify one thing. I am not "in" for mutah. I regard it as a choice between plague and cholera. Im a realistic human being and I dont judge any regardless whatever decision they make in their lives. Some can live with the fact they have done mutah, others cant. Its also a matter of temperment.
Mutah is looked down upon regardless country or society. (I dont think, most men can refrain from boasting they have "had" a woman)
A poem:
Insaan jeetay jee khataoo sey kar ley tauba?
Majburiooney kehiin farishtay banaay......
Since this thread is from the old archives, it means its done by the hands of a moderator/admin/team. I dont have more to say this in regard. Period.
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You wish to display that the prostitutes only have Shia clients comming the Bazaar? (Both have to be Shia to do Mutah) I recommend that the buyers of such services should be jailed. That would really end this chapter.
yeah so you become shia for a little bit.
the diff fiqh are not mutually exclusive, so yaaaaaaay.
damn muttah.com is taken.. I could have done brisk business linking up parties, but someone beat me to it :(
crap..so it mutah.com...moi late to the game...again
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ok so pathani, first n foremost, MY UPPER-CASING WHAT I WROTE WAS SIMPLY MEANT TO ACCENTUATE MY POINT. my intent was definitely not to YELL upon your person, however, if that’s how you read it/ want to read it, be my humble pest.. 
secondly, the conservative, narrow-minded sunni muslim that I am, the one and only definition to my faith is the kalma Tayyab. FOR ME, anyone who negates the finality of that kalima, definitely falls outside the category of being a ‘muslim’.
sooo000OOOooo, back to my conservative, narrow-minded sunni muslim thinking, mutaah seems to be a legal contract of convenience which allows you to sleep around. my point being, who’re you really kidding over here??! Allah???
and pathani, please feel free to refrain from getting personally defensive on this argument. noone’s pointing fingers at you, so don’t make a mountain out of a molehill.
and yeah, i did google ‘mutaah’… nothing laudable came out. nothing in a language that i could understand in the least… and most importantly, nothing from a credible website. and hence, i asked you to enlighten the rest of us with proofs and facts and statements.
u can see for urself: Google Search
and that is exactly why controlling your ‘nafs’ is the biggest test from Allah. that totally does not mean that you bend and twist the teachings of Islam to serve your purpose! if that were the case, masturbation and orgies n wat not wudve been promoted in our religion anyways. I’m sure Allah was aware of the ‘sex drives’ of us mortals when we were created.
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*I have more respect for a woman who does mutah than a weak Muslim turning into zinah… And I often come across, the absurd reaction of young Sunni divorcees women/widow that they look down upon mutah, but majority of these that I know 110 % have affairs/zinah with hindus, white men or former boy friends… That seems ok to them. I lost many of my friends this particular way. *
*As woman, I dont think of Mutah as honourable or a suitable solution for lack of intimacy. We have a choice in western countries to remarry without major problems, but that is not the fact/reality for lots of women in our Muslim countries. Culture wise, widows are expected not to remarry. So they turn into having a double life due to forced conditions. And poor fellow whomever marries a divorcee, his buddies claps his shoulders for his “sacriface”…lol Thats what I going on… Now kindly take a min. and also ponder about social injustice women are forced to face… At the end, ONLY ALLAHJEE shall and will judge us. *
*And by saying all this, I rest my case. I said, whatever I had to say. *
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I am looking for a historical source by which it can be proven that the fourth caliph ameerulmomineen Ali reinstated the institution of temporary marriage
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Look, if you arent informed about a sudden religious practice, that does not make it wrong.... This was practiced by Sahabas at the time of Prophet Muhammed pbuh. Now, ask yourself why did it come in practice?
Do some research instead of just making your own "personal fatwa".
God has created sexuality in human kind. It does not go away just because a person is single etc. This practice is also done in sudden Arab societies, so we cant say its beyond the decree of the laws of Islam. Different schorlars have their view when it comes to mutah.
Mutah is NOT for girls whom are unmarried. They need to stay virgin and keep themselves pure. Mutah is for those woman, widows and divorcees..... You cant deny the fact, our society especially our men prefer to have virgin girls to get married to. Its perfectly ok, but where are the out siders suppose to go or to do? Should widows or divorcees then turn to zinah because they can not control their need? We cant just say, its expected of women to deny their sexuality. Its do-able for a time limit...but then, we are human and end of the day, no one can remain without total physical contact at an young age..... When things really go bad, it turns to honour killings...because society looks down upon the males of the family whom can not "control" their female relatives......
I might be annoying some due to my very forward way of addressing this issue, but I think, I can handle it due to my choice of further studies and current proffession.
So, if women stands between the choice of zinah or mutah, for heavens sake, Id say...go for mutah. There is no excuse for zinah when mutah is an option, God has given man kind. We can argue why and by who it was all of sudden no longer right to practice in Islam. I shall try to find hadice etc historical reference, to put it at larger aspect.
I REALLY do not agree with this at all.
First off, you're giving previously married women a ticket to have sex, whereas the girl who NEVER gets married is now denied physical pleasure. Makes your argument that women who have had sex in the past, and now don't have the opportunity should be given the opportunity, fall into pieces.
Secondly, a widow who can still get pregnant is supposed to do WHAT when she gets pregnant, and her "marriage" has been annulled after a fornight of sex and pleasure? If that situation is tolerated, then why can't I be allowed to go off and have sex and deal with a baby after my boyfriend leaves me? Because I've never had sex before?? So, maybe some guy out there can have the opportunity to "deflower" me as his wife? But a woman who's had sex before and is now a widow is used goods and just doesn't deserve the same respectful marriage union? This is ridiculous.
Did the Prophet practice mutah??
Keep in mind that the Prophet slowly tried to remove prostitution, just like he slowly removed alcohol, etc. The commandments just didn't come crashing down that "You need to stop prostitution". He first began by getting people to accept that a prostitute is also a human being and has rights. Men would promise to pay them, and then wouldn't (happens today as well). He first asked men in Madina to start paying the prostitutes. Now if you take this out of context, you'd say prostitution is legal in Islam. But its not, because he went on to slowly cut the practice down.
Mutah might have been a tolerated practice for a temporary time, when the Prophet was trying to get people to stop prostitution. He knew the best way to deal with it wouldn't be to start kidnapping prostitutes and beating anyone that came in the way (ahem, Lal Masjid). Instead, he started by getting people to respect them as true businesswomen. She gives you a product, you give her the pay you promised.
I doubt the Sahabah truly practiced muta'h, and if they did, it was just during the time it was allowed. Evidence shows, and COMMON SENSE shows, that mutah is nothing short of prostitution.
Its no wonder most muslim scholars don't accept the practice at all.
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^ Very well said PCG.
I have also heard that it was allowed during the time of Prophet :saw: but than the practice was stoped. I never heard that it was still practiced during the time of Abu Bakar, Usman and Ali but not during the time of Umar. Looking forward to read when during Ali’s time it was allowed again and when during Umar’s time it was stoped.
Let me dig up my resources and find out when it was stopped during Prophet :saw:.
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**I have more respect for a woman who does mutah than a weak Muslim turning into zinah*.... And I often come across, the absurd reaction of young Sunni divorcees women/widow that they look down upon mutah, but majority of these that I know 110 % have affairs/zinah with hindus, white men or former boy friends..... That seems ok to them. I lost many of my friends this particular way. *
*As woman, I dont think of Mutah as honourable or a suitable solution for lack of intimacy. We have a choice in western countries to remarry without major problems, but that is not the fact/reality for lots of women in our Muslim countries. Culture wise, widows are expected not to remarry. So they turn into having a double life due to forced conditions. And poor fellow whomever marries a divorcee, his buddies claps his shoulders for his "sacriface".....lol Thats what I going on...... Now kindly take a min. and also ponder about social injustice women are forced to face...... At the end, ONLY ALLAHJEE shall and will judge us. *
*And by saying all this, I rest my case. I said, whatever I had to say. *
Referring to the bold...did you ever stop and think of the third alternative: Keeping your pants zipped?!?
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so anyone know the type of revenue muttah.com pulls in? I may hafta beat them at their own game.
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Oh and another point. If Mutah is to “save widows” from doing zina, then why did the Prophet marry widows. He could have just engaged in Mutah, and been done with it!
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I am looking for a historical source by which it can be proven that the fourth caliph ameerulmomineen Ali reinstated the institution of temporary marriage
Well up to my peanut knowledge , I haven’t come across a single historical evidence which stated that AmeerUl momeemin Hazrat Ali reinstated the institution of temporary marriage during the days of his caliphate but u may found that Famous hadis in both Sunni and Shia books ( see Shaih Bhukari , Book 2 , pg 767 , Shaih Muslim , book one , pg 452 and for Shia books see Allama toosi’s Al-ibtisaar , Book 3 , pg 142 , Sheikh Muhammad Bin Hasaan ‘s book ‘ wasail Shia Ala Tahsil.ay masa.il Shariaya , Book 7 , pg 441 ) where He stated that there was a ban imposed on Mutah on day of fata.aay Khyber . You may also get evidence that Hazrat Ibn.ay Abbas was rubked by Hazrat Ali for having soft corner about mutah and was told he could face punishment if he openly give fatwa on this issue .( Shaih Muslim , Fateh Bari and Tafseeray Mazha.ri all have recorded this incident )
Although people like Abu Jafar Muhammad bin Baboya Alqami and Molvi Abdul karim Mushtaq in his book ‘ why do we do Mutah ‘ have recorded my lies on this issue and nazo billah associate them to Imam Baqar and Imam Jafar Sadiq . I don’t acknowledge them even worth reading .
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There is no evidence that Hazrat Ali reinstated Mutah during his time , no evidence showing us that any of the Imams was engaged in this act . Therefore as Shia treat Imam’s words and actions as mark on stone and commandment of Allah , therefore they should consider Ammer Ul momineen ‘s stance on this issue ( He was such an honorable Momin that he couldn’t do Taqqiya as stated in many books ) and shouldn’t argue in favor of Mutahh .