Shia brothers please answer: Why would Umar/Uthman R.A compile Quran?

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Re: Shia brothers please answer: Why would Umar/Uthman R.A compile Quran?

@smooth_guy

Aqeel, you think anyone going to buy your logic of having a book to memorize and Umar R.A refering book means a physical compiled form of Quran. Please, don’t try it again.

Nussairee, I am familiar with the first hadeeth and sorry it doesn’t mean Quran in a physical and compiled form.
From your logic, whenever Allah revealed the word al-kitaab, it means there was a physical book that had been getting updated everytime Prophet SAW received revelation? Instead, what we know from several accounts that the Quran was largely memorized by ashaabe Sufa and other Sahaba and was also partially written on several objects like cloth, wood, paper and other objects used for writting. It was compiled after a ghazwa with munkareen-e-Nabuwat where it said that about 70 huffaz were shaheed and that prompted Umar R.A to start compilation. For which there was a committee that supervised the compilation and authentication process. How can a big event of history be easily wiped out? How come these things never surfaced from ahle Tashee until their books published a century ago ? I mean in a key stroke you are negating a big historical event with no concrete argument. The shia friends I had in Pakistan or abroad have never denied compilation event occurred during 2nd and 3rd Khalifaat. Also they deny that the 40 para or real and correct sahifa in a cave with Imam ghayeb is a fabricated aqeeda of some nut cases, not mainstream shia. You turned the table by negating the very event that my question is based on. I am impressed, another gem from you guys.

The second hadeeth is new for me and I am going to check on it. Though it doesn’t imply that there was a whole Quran as book at that time, instead some ayaah were written on things that were available.

Makrani, Hz Ayesha R.A lived till Hz Ali’s khilafah, so you don’t know if this hadith is from after the ijmaa ul Quran.

salaam

i am too suprised that youve never heard that narration from the shias before. it is a stock reply. every shia kid on the net is armed with these stock replies. they are useful against people new to facing shia slander.

the particular hadith quoted is weak but the shia insinuation only works on people if they forget that Quran was memorised by the companions and the parchments and papers was not the main method of preservation

smooth i am not aware of concensus among shia regarding the Quran, it is not something essential to shia. to be honest it was naive of you to expect the shia to answer you in a simple manner