Can someone tell me the significance of the stones that they use while praying? I ask this because I went to a Shia wedding once, and they were placing these small pebbles in front of them while praying namaz. I never understood why. Thanks.
It was the Sunnah of the Prophet to pray on the bare earth so we too use a tablet of clay.
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It was the Sunnah of the Prophet to pray on the bare earth so we too use a tablet of clay.
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it was prophet's (PBUH) sunnah to travel on camels, do you do that too?
Seeker, what your point, if you have one at all that is?
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Seeker, what your point, if you have one at all that is?
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rhia, the point i'm trying to make is simple. If your rational of putting stones infront of your prayer is that prophet(PBUH) used to do it that way, then you should travel in camels because prophjet (PBUH) used to do that too.
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rhia, the point i'm trying to make is simple. If your rational of putting stones infront of your prayer is that prophet(PBUH) used to do it that way, then you should travel in camels because prophjet (PBUH) used to do that too.
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and i thought these ppl called themselves ahl-e-sunnat.
What a joke!
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and i thought these ppl called themselves ahl-e-sunnat.
What a joke!
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we should conform to the practices that Holy Prophet(PBUH) was so much cherished about....being kind, honest, just.....the list can go on forever. That is the real sunnah.
Putting stones in front of prayer belies the real essence of the action. As it is mentioned above in the thread that holy prophet (PBUH) used to pray on bare clay; in my opinion it was just to show his modesty and not to serve as an guideline on where to pray.
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we should conform to the practices that Holy Prophet(PBUH) was so much cherished about....being kind, honest, just.....the list can go on forever. That is the real sunnah.
Putting stones in front of prayer belies the real essence of the action. As it is mentioned above in the thread that holy prophet (PBUH) used to pray on bare clay; in my opinion it was just to show his modesty and not to serve as an guideline on where to pray.
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So following the exact way prophet (pbuh) prayed his namaz is not a real sunnah ?
pal, do u know the difference between riding a camel and praying namaz?
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So following the exact way prophet (pbuh) prayed his namaz is not a real sunnah ?
pal, do u know the difference between riding a camel and praying namaz?
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Did prophet carried the tablet of clay? Can't you guys remove the rugs and pray of floor. Why should carry tablet?
And I know that the clay is supposedly from Karbala, isn't it?
The whole dean is modified by the rawafiz...with their stupid logics.
Prophet SAW wore white dress mostly....do the same and leave those black choghaz from now on.
Ok so make me understand why you are so upset. Unhon nay Allah ko jawwaab dena hai....they are not hurting anyone by putting pebbles on the prayer mat. Some people pray with hands folded, some with thier hands open, some say "zualeen" and some say "dualeen". apna apna tareeqa hai and Allah listens to all. Besides Namaz is quite a personal matter is it not?
Ever heard of innovations? This clay thing is one of them, and sure there is no significance nor its appropriate. It also has relvency with the Idols made of same thing. So is n't it better to avoid such thing, which also look bad to non-muslim who will think the same clay/idol thing about Islam where it is a religion above any such filth.
Keep the dean simple and pure as it was revealed. Don't introduce irrelevant things.
Kalima
Azzan
No. of Salaat
Tablet in Salaat
the list goes on and on.......the munafiqeen did everything possible to change the form of Deen-e-Muhammadi. But Allah is the greatest power HE has been saving it from these hypocrites.
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i am sunni but i agree to this :k:
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So following the exact way prophet (pbuh) prayed his namaz is not a real sunnah ?
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well do you know why the holy prophet (PBUH) offered salat the way he did (ie on bare ground)
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well do you know why the holy prophet (PBUH) offered salat the way he did (ie on bare ground)
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He was simple man and prayed on ground since in those days not much rugs and carpets were available.
Lessons to take from his action are to follow the central idea. such as to perform Wudoo, he washed opened parts of the body with water. I guess(correct me if I am wrong) , Soap was not invented at that time. If Soap would have been available, I am sure he would have performed Wudoo with soap and water and today all muslims would have been doing Wudoo with soap.
He used Miswak to clean teeth which was the best tool available to clean teeth, tooth brush and paste were not available those days.
Not to digress but Per Mufakkar, "Besides Namaz is quite a personal matter is it not?".
If Namaz is quite a persoanl matter, why there is so much stress on praying in congregation.???
Smooth guy: good point. So isn't praying on a prayer mat a form of innovation? Since the prophet prayed on the bare ground? Yes Shias make some of thier clay bars out of Karbala earth, but not all of them. Would it be more acceptable if they made all such things from the earth of Makkah, Madina or of thier own backyard? Would it be a problem for you think that rather than making an innovation by using these bars, they simply want to place thier head on God's good earth while praying? Afterall, they do not use pebbles or any add ons if they use a "Chataee" a mat made of straws.
Analyze it: I never knew that namaz could be a Conference call to Allah. Are you implying that namaaz in congregation is stressed because a minder could look at us and make sure that we are praying in the "correct" way?
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it was prophet's (PBUH) sunnah to travel on camels, do you do that too?
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Bro Seeker... Good Point man... I wonder why dont Ahley-Sunnah jamat
dont ride on camels...when they claim to be follow of sunnah....
Bro do you know the difference of prayers and traveling????
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Ever heard of innovations? This clay thing is one of them, and sure there is no significance nor its appropriate. It also has relvency with the Idols made of same thing. So is n't it better to avoid such thing, which also look bad to non-muslim who will think the same clay/idol thing about Islam where it is a religion above any such filth.
Keep the dean simple and pure as it was revealed. Don't introduce irrelevant things.
Kalima
Azzan
No. of Salaat
Tablet in Salaat
the list goes on and on.......the munafiqeen did everything possible to change the form of Deen-e-Muhammadi. But Allah is the greatest power HE has been saving it from these hypocrites.
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Praying Namaaz on floor or on a pebble doesnt make a difference on your prayers... you still pray the same way... same rakat.. same zikar everything ... you wanna talk about innovations Bro... Lemme tell you a innovation Umar Introduced in religon based on your book
Theevidence which proves that Umar (radiallahu anhu) ordered the practise of 20 rak'ahshas been recorded by Shaykh Ali al-Muttaqi al-Hindi[10] in the largest collection ofHadith available today: Kanz al-Ummal fi Sunan al-aqwal wal Af'al[11], as follows from Ubayy ibn Ka'b(radiallahu anhu):
"Umar (radiallahu anhu) ordered him (Ubayy) to leadthe people in prayer at night in Ramadan, because the people fast during theday and can not recite (the Qur'an) well, therefore it is better that youshould recite (the Qur'an) during the night. I (Ubayy) asked: "O commanderof the believers, this thing was not done before." He said: "I know,but it is a good practise", and so (Ubayy) led (the Companion's) for 20 rak'ahs."
Ha the followers of innovators are accusing us for praying on pebbles....
Brother praying on Pebble is like idolship... even though you pray on the same Ground... sand.. no idols man.... then what would you call muslims going to Mecca and walking in circles around four walls?????
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it was prophet's (PBUH) sunnah to travel on camels, do you do that too?
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o yaar dont make islam that difficult for yourself. im sure if automobiles and aircraft were available back then the Prophet (PBUH) would have used them too (for the sake of swift dawaah).
everyone has their own way of following their religeon. sunnis have no right to judge the faith of shias and vica versa. before you find fault with someone else make sure you're perfect yourself.
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Smooth guy: good point. So isn't praying on a prayer mat a form of innovation? Since the prophet prayed on the bare ground? Yes Shias make some of thier clay bars out of Karbala earth, but not all of them. Would it be more acceptable if they made all such things from the earth of Makkah, Madina or of thier own backyard? Would it be a problem for you think that rather than making an innovation by using these bars, they simply want to place thier head on God's good earth while praying? Afterall, they do not use pebbles or any add ons if they use a "Chataee" a mat made of straws.
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Thank you. It's a great explanation.
Good Explaination Muffakar
Fret Wizard , Shias pray on natural rock, ground(not cement) or the palm leaves. It is considered cleaner or purer than the man made carpets. CArpets might contain some ingrediants that might be lawful. So
We prefer to prostate on something that is cleaner. Prophet Muhammed used to pray on palm tree leaves as well on the ground.
Logically speaking I dun see anything wrong in making sujud on the rock or piece of mud.