Shehzan Juice peenay say mutaliq koi fatwa ?

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Re: Shehzan Juice peenay say mutaliq koi fatwa ?

What part of personal choice you did not get from my posts?

Why make a long speech of freedom of choice and freedom of religions/religious acts when YOU yourself cannot tolerate others?

If people do not like Shezan but like other products or do not boycott others for any reason it is STILL their choice. So be it. Why be so upset?

If any other person calls names then that person will be wrong too.

No need to justify being angry and name calling who does not want to drink Shezan.

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so simply boycotting a business which works against islam is not using enough aql?
as for your statement in bold, which i can agree with in some ways, but is more likely to be disagree-able in its intented form.
as for the employment then i really do not worry about that, even if Allah SWT gives them less, less can be more. actually ive never come across worry for the employment of people in haram activities before today. Allah sustains them today and Allah will sustain tomorrow with blessings, if He wishes

the site kchughtai is using above asks muslims to voluntarily stop working for shezan. no disagreements do i offer for such advice

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Today they are attacking Qadiyani business.. They came and again can anytime come up against the boycott of companies like Unilever, Reckitt, GSK, Wyeth and many multinationals that they also contribute for causes against Muslims like they came up with PEPSI (Pay Each Penny to Save Israel) and Coca Cola logo saying (La macca, La Muhammad).

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its a realistic possibility that the snowball effects of successful boycotting could lead to these big companies and their activities.
bring them into compliance aswell, why not
it would be better for us, in the hereafter

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Are we required to follow them blindly? What they have done for Islam and Muslims except creating hatred between sects. Why our Islam gives us enmity in inheritance.

We have got enough of this in the form of Shia Sunni rivalry on the events happened 1400 years ago having no concrete historical sources. This is time to say 'enough is enough'
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youve been over this time and time again, theres something missing, something wrong. worrying is your looking for 'historical' sources! where did you learn that from! (i know btw)

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People do not even have to have ANY reason to not drink, eat, wear etc. any particular item. As long as it is not directly harming ANYONE in particular.

We just have to respect their choices in their own lives. None of our business.

If someone drinks Shezan fine. If not, then still fine.

Live and let live.

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Why not 'pure' Muslims actually invest in Pakistan (as opposed to having properties in 'salibi' countries) and manufacture products, the profits from which should go to propagating 'pure' version of Islam? If they are good enough, they would hurt 'kafir' businesses, so you benefit both ways.

Much better than taking down someone who actually invested in the country. If you don't like the idea, don't drink Shezan. The general level of health in our country would improve a lot if we reduce consumption of carbonated beverages and sugar anyways.

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Against Islam? any proofs besides some statements from misinformed Mullahs? If we assume that Sheezan contributed in propagating this particular sect in Russia, then who stopped Khadimen e Haramain Shareed and their allies spread all over the world (killing Muslims to propagate their brand of Islam) to invest something in replying to such efforts through publishing and distributing literature in those areas to make their point. Are their funding is limited to killing Muslims who don't agree to their brand of Islam?

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its a realistic possibility that the snowball effects of successful boycotting could lead to these big companies and their activities.
bring them into compliance aswell, why not
it would be better for us, in the hereafter

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I think hereafter would be much better if we think for the humanity irrespective of any religious affiliation.

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youve been over this time and time again, theres something missing, something wrong. worrying is your looking for 'historical' sources! where did you learn that from! (i know btw)
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I never proclaimed to be scholar of history, but atleast I would not follow the sources ( religious or historical) that spread bigotry just because of ideological differences.

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well said :k:

People really need to know difference between Razzaq and Abdul Razzaq :slight_smile:

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^ I think you are missing the point.

Allah Almighty is the Razzaq - He has always been so and always will be so.

He is Razzaq for all His creation.

He is Razzaq to Shaytaan the Cursed.

He was Razzaq to the Phoaroh of Hz Musa's (as) time

He was Razzaq for Abu Jahal - And He is Razzaq to all the vile people anywhere.

It is human nature to Boycott one whom one dislikes.

Even if Shezan was forced to close down - Allah Almighty is still the Razzaq of it owners.

At your level you too will Boycott the 'Mosques' where those who abhor pray. Your post prior to above clearly shows that your have prejudice/Bias.

Humans always have prejudices. It is human nature.

And Please make a clear distinction between a Mullah and a Scholar. Please Don't lump a village Mullah with a scholar.

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^Abdul Razzaq

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ufff har kisi ka blood pressure itna high kyun ho jata hai.

it's all well and good to have a healthy argument but please keep it at that, i don't want to have to act on Shak09's post about infractions.

as far as this topic is concerned, i agree with diwana.. live and let live.

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Its not village Mullah who come up with such fitne baz fatwa. So Village Mulla probably got more tolerance than so called scholars.

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yes against islam, i have religious reasons for accepting the fatwa. having nothing against the qadiani people, i feel closeness to them with our shared ethnicity, but the leadership obviously has a desire to propagate their beliefs using the islamic name. this is what is really problematic, its too provokative a step. the russian translation fraud attempt funded by pakistani money, is not the only reason for the boycott but the owner obviously feels funding qadianism is something he will aggresively partake in. i think its a good, (very) moderate step to simply boycott his business empire

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If we assume that Sheezan contributed in propagating this particular sect in Russia, then who stopped Khadimen e Haramain Shareed and their allies spread all over the world (killing Muslims to propagate their brand of Islam) to invest something in replying to such efforts through publishing and distributing literature in those areas to make their point. Are their funding is limited to killing Muslims who don't agree to their brand of Islam?

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i dont know which group or what you are refering to here. i dont think i have come across a situation involving muslims killing muslims to propagate their brand of islam. give more details

if you mean sectarian killings then i missed the period at its height. however the rise to power of khomeni rings alarm bells. defector statements suggest khomeni wanted to play games inside pakistan. if you say money came from such and such country to oppose this, then yeah its pretty likely that it did. theres been no notice-able effort in this field to propagate a brand of islam using this tactic from either side. one of the sides involved uses the term 'wahabi' to describe all sunni opposition. i am aware at the public refutation side of things all schools are involved, but organisations dedicated to ASWJ representation are local hanafis

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I think hereafter would be much better if we think for the humanity irrespective of any religious affiliation.
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ideally other communities and ideologies should be taken with delicate care by muslims

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I never proclaimed to be scholar of history, but atleast I would not follow the sources ( religious or historical) that spread bigotry just because of ideological differences.
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pakistan was founded on something similar to what you say you do not follow, they said they couldnt live with hindus. we cannot give hindus or other ideologies a fatwa other then they are following an unislamic path. however that doesnt mean this should lead to hatred by itself. muslims are advised to treat others justly whilst maintaining our own guidelines

as you can see in my doubt over pakistan concept living with other ideologies is not the problem. nor is there a wish to deny basic rights.

however without looking into the beliefs of all parties involved we cannot come to see where the problems are, and how to rectify them. for example did you know one of groups you are speaking on behalf of cannot have beliefs which are same as mainstream muslims, they are advised to choose something even though it is false. can you see the opportunity for provokation here? another has come to prefer distributing altered copies our texts. the fact is there are issues here that need dealing with for the betterment of our society

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And with this post I think the discussion has runs its course. The thread is turning into ''how are Ahmedis Muslims?''.