I have no idea what you aresaying here - homestly. You assume anyone who is not Pakistani or not a muslim automatically thinks Islam is not a religion of peace. You are wrong to make that assumption,
However, you sir have no idea what peace and tolerance mean.
Right sir, thanks for atleast this much of clarification that not every non muslim or who is not pakistani automatically thinks/ asuumes that Islam is NOT a religion of peace (please deny that Islam is really not propagated as otherwise by a majority of those who have this ready made prejudice against Islam and its followers). When we feel hurt at this negative propaganda against our faith, and react, it is called extremism. How would you justify that?
Coming back to the topic, how can in one breath you acknowledge that Islam is a religion of Peace and in another you support and are ready to argue here supporting those who call our laws of shariah (that are divine and NOT man-made) as discriminatory and black laws? Is it like to you Islam can have such discriminatory laws and extremism and yet be the religion of peace?
So now, sir, I hope you let go of this confusion of yours and be honest regarding your opinions, whatever they be, because, within the limit of your-liberty-ends-where-my-nose-begins, you have all liberty to express your thoughts about anything may please you, whatsoever.
I wish your religion was as dear to you too to be intolerant and out of peace whenever it is contaminated and negatively propagated by biased and prejudiced perceptions.
Instances of intolerance and extremism alive and well can be found everywhere. Whats more important is a mutual respect for each others' feelings and perspectives as nations and neighbouring countries. And on this, just as it looks like, unfortunately, we will never be on the same page, OR, if nothing much else, you people wont be favoring and appreciating the lady who is only vocalizing the same ideas which may please those who could never understand Islam as a religion of Peace and sanctity, and always remained biased, the ideas that hurt all the nation when expressed by our Governor and the ideas which unfortunately brought him to grave, with very little sympathy for that individual since however you all, and even the world laws and justice may call it wrong and extremism, we can never compromise on the honor of your religion and our last prophet Sal Allah O Aleh Wasalam.
Look at this thread only, aint all those paying salutes to the lady are only those who would themselves condemn and would never understand the logic of the law of blasphemy, the same people whose heroes are our villains and vice versa. So have the feelings, the mentality over the borders really changed even after the lapse of centuries? And we thought we have come out of that age of bias and prejudice!
Did the prophet himself go kill people who criticized islam and/or his personality? I know of a sahabi who killed a woman poet who used to incite hatred against muslims and the prophet, but people threw garbage at the prophet, the tale of taif is very well known, and even there is a story about a bedouin who came to the prophet and started arguing that you are a bad muslim. A sahabi rose up and said that let me kill this person who dares disrespect the prophet, but Prophet Muhammad himself stopped the sahabi and said that let the bedouin argue with me.
This matter is very ambiguous and has no clear cut answers like what your mullahs in Pakistan make it out to be. This is even more telling considering the fact that the woman who was put on trial may not even have had said any blasphemous thing in the first place, so Salman Taseer shouldn't have been murdered for expressing his opinion about that.
Right sir, thanks for atleast this much of clarification that not every non muslim or who is not pakistani automatically thinks/ asuumes that Islam is NOT a religion of peace (please deny that Islam is really not propagated as otherwise by a majority of those who have this ready made prejudice against Islam and its followers). When we feel hurt at this negative propaganda against our faith, and react, it is called extremism. How would you justify that?
Coming back to the topic, how can in one breath you acknowledge that Islam is a religion of Peace and in another you support and are ready to argue here supporting those who call our laws of shariah (that are divine and NOT man-made) as discriminatory and black laws? Is it like to you Islam can have such discriminatory laws and extremism and yet be the religion of peace?
So now, sir, I hope you let go of this confusion of yours and be honest regarding your opinions, whatever they be, because, within the limit of your-liberty-ends-where-my-nose-begins, you have all liberty to express your thoughts about anything may please you, whatsoever.
I wish your religion was as dear to you too to be intolerant and out of peace whenever it is contaminated and negatively propagated by biased and prejudiced perceptions.
So you want to say that Islam is the religion of war and intolerance? I am getting lost here....
Just wondering! why no one points out the fact that it is the person who makes such remarks against the religion (or people associated to it) intolerant and extremist.
tit for tat you know ...
How is it tit for that as I don't think salman taseer killed any of your boy loving mullah leader now, did he?
oh right!! ... so salman taseer was killed cuz he deserved it! .... yes he should hav been a lil careful .. but u guys are forgetting its a man made law ... tht he was against! not Allah swt law!
his stance was basically that this law is being misused to target the poor and the voiceless.
how many hav abused the law, taken advantage of this law and put innocents behind the bar, without solid evidence! ... poor Shabaz Bhatti was killed cuz he spoke for minorities in Pakistan and he was killed ... did he deserved it? its this mindset in Pakistan ... tht needs to eliminated ...
here is quote from our beloved Prophet Muhammad SAW
"Beware, if anyone dare oppresed a member of a minority or assert his or her rights or tortured or took away something forcibly. I will fight on behave of the minority against the muslim on the day of judgement".
Pakistan is a very ANOKHI nation in this earth, they dont do respect and give any kind of awards the peoples desreve for it BUT for sure they give the highest national awards to those who dont realy fit for it in any circumstances. SO what is the BIG problem here if a foreign based organisation give an award to her?
Ah about law we already discussed about it thousand times.
am agreed what Rangli and Dopp. saying.
I had blocked out my responsse - because last thing I wanted was to add fuel to the fire. And such topics have a tendency to sometimes bring out the worst in people in terms of rhetoric.
I just wanted to thank Mirage for keeping a very civil tone, even if we were 180 degrees apart.
I , and most pakistanis don't really give a shi! who gets what award from the goray in NY........
if someone deserved an award, it would be mr.taseer (in case someone wanted to give the award so badly).......... she is no hero as it is being portrayed...
Instances of intolerance and extremism alive and well can be found everywhere. Whats more important is a mutual respect for each others' feelings and perspectives as nations and neighbouring countries. And on this, just as it looks like, unfortunately, we will never be on the same page, OR, if nothing much else, you people wont be favoring and appreciating the lady who is only vocalizing the same ideas which may please those who could never understand Islam as a religion of Peace and sanctity, and always remained biased, the ideas that hurt all the nation when expressed by our Governor and the ideas which unfortunately brought him to grave, with very little sympathy for that individual since however you all, and even the world laws and justice may call it wrong and extremism, we can never compromise on the honor of your religion and our last prophet Sal Allah O Aleh Wasalam.
Look at this thread only, aint all those paying salutes to the lady are only those who would themselves condemn and would never understand the logic of the law of blasphemy, the same people whose heroes are our villains and vice versa. So have the feelings, the mentality over the borders really changed even after the lapse of centuries? And we thought we have come out of that age of bias and prejudice!
so there is a logic to this madness? really? how about you enlighten us ignorants what the logic of this damn law is? the only logic i see in it is to provide a cover for the bigoted to harass/kill those who they have a difference of opinion with.
Since you take such exception to Salman Taseer calling the law black, why don't you also define what to you is a black law?
A poor Christian woman deserves to die, not because she assaulted or killed someone, not because she looted the treasury, not because she disappears and tortures ordinary citizens, not because she's drowned the country in debt. No, she deserves to die because of something a bunch of villagers accused her of saying. *We won't hang gang rapists and government embezzlers, but we're beating our chests to execute a mother of 5 for allegedly *saying something that offends our delicate sensitivities. A country which sustains such a justice system deserves to implode.
What of Muslims who refuse to drink water served by a Christian/non-Muslim? What do you do with morons like that? You give them a vehicle for their bigotry in the form of a vague blasphemy law. The result? The exploitation of reckless legislation to settle personal vendettas and feed the mob mentality against minorities. "Black law," indeed.
Those who pride themselves on their jingoistic patriotism and superiority of iman ought to take a long, hard look at the vertical white strip on the Flag of the Crescent and Star.
As for Shehrbano, while she's not the only one who deserves recognition, she's doing her bit to raise her voice when she has no compulsion to. We can b-tch about why a rich, privileged kid is given props for continuing her slain father's cause, or we can ask ourselves what we're doing to give a voice to those who have none, or why we can't seem to grow the spine to say enough is enough.