Are they same people?
Can we call all Makranis Sheedis?
Where they came from? They are different from other local people in their skin tone, heavily curly hair. Even their language and dances are different. Their dances and music beat are more like African tribes.
Chee Ray.. 
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They are african I believe, I read once that their customs like dances etc are African.
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One of my friend told that once a person was on cycle going very slow in Lyari. All of a sudden, a Makrani gadhe wala came and said ’ nee mayyat… idhar se hato ray’ 
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nee mayyat? I have never seen them, always impressed by them watching them in Tv programs.
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nee mayyat? I have never seen them, always impressed by them watching them in Tv programs.
slow means dead in Sheedi culture. Thats why they have high beats in music and dance.
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Sheedis are believed to be descendants of African slaves, mostly found in Balochistan (Makran Coast, they are called Makranis) and Sindh.
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Sheedis are believed to be descendants of African slaves, mostly found in Balochistan (Makran Coast, they are called Makranis) and Sindh.
But how they come into this area?
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^ they sat on a boat and reached Makran… 
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Siddi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The first Siddis are thought to have arrived in India in 628 AD at the Bharuch port. Several others followed with the first Arab Islamic invasions of the subcontinent in 712 AD.[14] The latter group are believed to have been soldiers with Muhammad bin Qasim’s Arab army, and were called Zanjis.
Most Siddis, however, are believed to be the descendants of slaves, sailors, servants and merchants from East Africa who arrived and became resident in the subcontinent during the 1200-1900 AD period.[15] A large influx of Siddis to the region occurred in the 17th century when Portuguese slave traders sold a number of them to local princes.[citation needed]
Flag of the Siddis from Murud-Janjira an important vassal of the Mughal Empire.
In Western India (the modern Indian states of Gujarat and Maharashtra), the Siddi gained a reputation for physical strength and loyalty, and were sought out as mercenaries by local rulers, and as domestic servants and farm labor.[citation needed] Some Siddis escaped slavery to establish communities in forested areas, and some even established small Siddi principalities on Janjira Island and at Jaffrabad as early as the twelfth century. A former alternative name of Janjira was Habshan (i.e., land of the Habshis). In the Delhi Sultanate period prior to the rise of the Mughals in India, Jamal-ud-Din Yaqut was a prominent Siddi slave-turned-nobleman who was a close confidant of Razia Sultana (1205–1240 CE). Although this is disputed, he may also have been her lover.[16]
As a power centre, Siddis were sometimes allied with the Mughal Empire in its power-struggle with the Maratha Confederacy.[citation needed] However, Malik Ambar, a prominent Siddi figure in Indian history at large, is sometimes regarded as the “military guru of the Marathas”, and was deeply allied with them.[17] He established the town of Khirki which later became the modern city of Aurangabad, and helped establish the Marathas as a major force in the Deccan. Later, the Marathas adapted Siddi guerrilla warfare tactics to grow their power and ultimately demolish the Mughal empire.[17] Some accounts describe the Mughal emperor Jahangir as obsessed by Ambar due to the Mughal empire’s consistent failures in crushing him and his Maratha cavalry, describing him derogatorily as “the black faced” and “the ill-starred” in the royal chronicles and even having a painting commissioned that showed Jahangir killing Ambar, a fantasy which was never realised in reality.[18]
Some Indian Siddis are descended from Tanzanians and Mozambicans brought by the Portuguese. While most enslaved African people became Muslim and a small minority became Christian, very few became Hindu since they could not find themselves a position in the traditional Hindu caste hierarchy.[19]
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Gwadar has remained a part of Oman, and I had a hunch that maybe the rulers of Gwadar brought them over.
**Siddi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Sheedis of Pakistan**
Further information: Makrani
In Pakistan, locals of Black African descent are called “Makrani”, or “Sheedi”. They live primarily along the Makran Coast in Balochistan (see also Makrani), and lower Sindh. In the city ofKarachi, the main Sheedi centre is the area of Lyari and other nearby coastal areas.[SUP][28]](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddi#cite_note-27)[/SUP] Technically, the Sheedi are a brotherhood or community distinct from the other Afro-Pakistanis. The Sheedis are divided into four clans, or houses: Kharadar Makan, Hyderabad Makan, Lassi Makan and Belaro Makan.[SUP][29]](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddi#cite_note-thenews.com.pk-28)[/SUP] The sufi saint Pir Mangho is regarded by many as the patron saint of the Sheedis, and the annual Sheedi Mela festival, is the key event in the Sheedi community’s cultural calendar.[SUP][29]](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddi#cite_note-thenews.com.pk-28)[/SUP] Some glimpses of the rituals at Sidi/Sheedi Festival 2010 include visit to sacred alligators at Mangho pir, playing music and dance.[SUP][30]](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddi#cite_note-29)[/SUP] Clearly, the instrument, songs and dance appear to be derived from Africa.[SUP][31]](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddi#cite_note-30)[/SUP][SUP][32]](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddi#cite_note-31)[/SUP]
Linguistically, Makranis are Balochi and Sindhi and speak a dialect of Urdu referred to as Makrani. In Sindh, the Sheedis have traditionally intermarried only with people such as the Mallahs (fisherpeople), Khaskeli (laborers), Katri (dyeing caste) and Kori (clothmakers). This accounts for the existence of non-African features such as the straight nose and lighter skin among some Sheedis. In Makran, many have intermarried with the Baloch.[SUP][33]](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddi#cite_note-autogenerated1-32)[/SUP]
Famous Sheedis include the historic Sindhi army leader Hoshu Sheedi[SUP][34]](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddi#cite_note-33)[/SUP] and Urdu poet Noon Meem Danish.[SUP][35]](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddi#cite_note-34)[/SUP][SUP][36]](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddi#cite_note-35)[/SUP] Sheedis are also well known for their excellence in sports, especially in football and boxing. The musical anthem of the ruling Pakistan Peoples Party, “Bija Teer”, is a Balochi song in the musical style of the Sheedis with Black African style rhythm and drums.[SUP][37]](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddi#cite_note-36)[/SUP] Younis Jani is a popular Sheedi singer famous for singing an Urdu version of the reggaetonsong “Papi chulo… (te traigo el mmmm…).”[SUP][38]](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddi#cite_note-37)[/SUP]
Most Makranis in Pakistan have Black Africans links from the female side. Many Sindhi feudals imported African female slaves; so did the Omani Arabs of Gwadar, a coastal city of Balochistan which was in control of Oman in the 17th century. According to Dr. Sengupta’s seminal study, the Y-DNA analysis reveals E3a at a frequency distribution of 5%. On the other hand, mtDNA analysis reveals approx 40% L1a, L2a, L2b, L2d.[SUP][39]](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddi#cite_note-38)[/SUP]
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So Zanjis who were part of MBQ army were actually Sheedis (descendants of slaves). I read in Maududi Saheb’s ‘Khilafat o Mamlookiyat’ that under the leadership of Hajjaj Bin Yusuf, when Ummayyads sieged Makkah and Medina, these Zanji soldiers raped Muslim women. An Arab women then came before Hajjaj and informed him that Non-Arabs (Sheedis) are humiliating Arab women. After which, he got killed those soldiers in fury 
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Interesting.. I’m wondering do we have any Sheedi members
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^ interesting, but it would be difficult to establish now...i think some came to the region with the arab invaders, some as slaves, and others through omani rulers.
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Some how these people are still under lower cadre. Not that much financially stable 
I remember reading somewhere that they used to serve Sardars for all life and even their women folks were given in dowry to the daughters of the Sardars 
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ida biya, mani shai jinga bita.
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thats sad. i have never seen a makrani in punjab or northern pakistan.
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ida biya, mani shai jinga bita.
Have you seen Rashid Billa on ARY Music
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Have you seen Rashid Billa on ARY Music
No. who is he?
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They are in India too. The supposedly came over with bin Qasim's army and later as african slaves of merchants in 12-13 century. Also a few more came to India when Portuguese sold them as slaves to local kings and princes. They r mostly sufis in India but a few r hindus and Christians as well.
