Re: Shaykha
Diwana, here is your proof. 
http://youtu.be/GhxqIITtTtU
Re: Shaykha
Gender roles are made drastically much more different by humans than what Allah has shared with us in the Quran. Quran recommends men to protect women, not prevent them from doing what theyâre good at and contributing to the community. Then youâre not protecting them, youâre just protecting your ego.
Re: Shaykha
This is not even the point of discussion.
Not related to this thread even remotely. Will be glad to discuss it in appropriate thread.
Why twice on Sunday?
Why not twice on Fridays?
Is Friday bad? At least she can âfryâ bad guys on Fridays. 
Not all mocho men are bad.
Immediately after you said there is no wisdom in religion you gave example of a religious book Quran. 
Yes.
By ALL means following Islam can take you to Mars and cure infections etc.
There is no prohibition for it in Islam. In fact there is encouragement for it.
My proof? What proof?
I never asked you for any âproofâ like this anywhere in this thread.
You talked about women holding AK47 and now posted this video.
Are you saying somehow women and an ape have no difference if given AK47�
Re: Shaykha
I am saying a pregnant/menstrual is not less superior than men today. A woman with AK-47, a Pistol, remote control joy stick of an armed drone, a tank etc. is far superior to an idiotic man with a stick in his hand and a horse/camel for a ride. That might have been a universal truth 1400 yrs ago - its no longer the case today. Its a brave new world out here - start living in it.
Now try and make some sense somewhere. If you have no counter arguments then donât hide behind âits not the subject of the threadâ argument.
Re: Shaykha
âNot less superiorâ. Interesting combo. 
It sounds like " Saahil-e-Samandar Ke Kinaare" 
But I get your message.
This is not about superiority contest.
This is about two different roles assigned to two very different kind of human beings, men and women in regards to many different traits⌠in the world.
Only fools think women can do or should be able to do what men can do or vice versa.
You picked out two different scenario for a man and a woman to make false conclusion.
What about a man with the same gadgets and a woman with same gadgets?
No one said women cannot do those tasks, but men will not have those handicaps like menstruating, emotional instability or asking for leaves for being pregnant when assigned for tasks which require a lot of physical and mental precision.
Certainly women cannot be made leaders of a combative army on the ground.
It will not make sense to you until you start reading about the issue even today being a very hot topic despite centuries ago this wisdom was laid upon people of the world not letting women lead prayers, let alone an army leadership.
I did not say women cannot be in army. I said they should not be assigned âleadershipâ of an army.
Now: Follow your own words:
Learn to read just like the first word of Quran was revealed and advised:
Iqra!
Re: Shaykha
I am reading your posts and not one thing is logically sound.
Women can and have done every job men have ever had. Women have lead army, navy, airforce roles successfully around the globe. Even middle east armies have females LEADING attacks on ISIS. Pakistan has females in airforce that fly planes and do things men do. Women have been to space and lived there successfully executed all jobs men have. They were emotionally very stable Im guessing else they wouldnt qualify to fly billions of dollars worth of gear.
Now get off from under that rock. Stop writing nonsense. Read something other than quran/hadeeth to open your mind as instructed by the first word in Quran. And for crying out loud stop defending arguments from 1400 years ago. Respect free will of females and males equally.
However, I can respect and will defend your right to consider yourself emotionally unstable and not fit for army if you are female. You just can no longer force this old mindset on others.
Re: Shaykha
Re: Shaykha
Itâs about time you get off your feisty attitude.
Enough of your temper tantrum and bashing Islam under the disguise of negating ALL religions.
You started with an absurd and ridiculous statement that religions have no wisdom.
Then gave Quranic evidence of word Iqra.
When it was thrown back at you, you are asking me to read something other than Quran/Hadeeth.
Make up your mind. Donât say something and run away when your own words are used against you.
Say what you mean and mean what you say.
If you are some kind of hell bent femanazi, then it will not make sense to you ever.
But let me make clear to you:
Men and women are designed and destines to do a whole lot of acts in this world different but at the same time complementary to each other so the balance is in favor of all human beings.
Idiots like you think women can do whatever men do and cite a few and far between examples as their âproofâ and you even bought the worst example as a âproofâ of an ape holding a rifle to support women? 
Are you for real that much desperate to post that video in order to make you point?
Finally:
In terms of women in army:
**The verdict is not out as per modern society. It was already given many hundreds years ago and even before.
**
Women still struggling for their fair share in participating in this field.
Unfortunately women are still facing discrimination as well as threat of being raped in the armies.
Men in army on the other hand rightfully concerned to be in command by women or having women fighting with them in direct combat with enemies.
You do need to understand no one would like to have any army battalion gets in any shameful situation if its member man or woman be captured by the enemy force.
And women due to their some natural handicaps can get captured by the enemy forces easier than men would.
Do you even know how small of percentage of women actually want to be in direct combat?
Donât try to be the champion of women rights in this matter, when you may not even have an iota of information how many women actually want to act like men.
Real army life is not like the Hollywood movie G.I. Jane. I think I have said this before.
P.S.** Do not ever give examples of terrorists to make your point unless you want to be regarded as their partner!!**
Re: Shaykha
:mirch: Can we keep the conversation going in a civic manner please?
Re: Shaykha
We are not in the Masjid and we are not delivering a hate speech either and nobody here is making a call to go and hunt women who are leading mixed gender prayers. When you say our nation , if you mean Pakistani nation you are assuming everybody here is from Pakistan , that is not true either.
You are looking for a proverbial straw to hang on to while you are being drowned in your hate for religion. Your arguments are weak and devoid of depth of logic.
Re: Shaykha
I stopped reading when guys decided to start talking about our menstrual cycles.
Honey, puh-lease.
Re: Shaykha
LOL. You must be emotionally unstable, per some clowns study of Islam.
Re: Shaykha
Guide to ALL those ignorants and wanna be but foolishly liberals and those⌠who have never had any knowledge about women psychology related to their menstrual cycle.
Premenstrual Syndrome (PMS) and Premenstrual Dysphoric Disorder (PMDD)
Many women experience symptoms of Premenstrual Syndrome (PMS). In some instances the mood symptoms and emotional components of PMS are the most troubling. To women in such cases, PMS is often referred to as Premenstrual Dysphoric Disorder (PMDD).
Premenstrual Dysphoric Disorder is a more severe form of PMS, affecting 5-10% of women in their reproductive years.
In contrast to PMS, PMDD is characterized by more significant premenstrual mood disturbance that can seriously impact relationships and impair functioning.
Many women with PMDD experience clinical levels of depression or anxiety during the week or two before each menstrual cycle.
**It is not uncommon that the emotional symptoms of depression anxiety and irritability can seriously interfere with normal functioning and relationships. **
Common symptoms include: irritability, depressed mood, anxiety, or mood swings. Mood symptoms are only present for a specific period of time, during the luteal phase of the menstrual cycle. Symptoms emerge one to two weeks before menses and resolve completely with the onset of menses. Women with PMDD should experience a symptom-free interval between menses and ovulation. An estimated 40% of women who seek treatment for PMDD actually have a premenstrual exacerbation of an underlying mood disorder rather than PMDD. Therefore, it is important for patients to be carefully evaluated for the presence of an underlying mood disorder in order to develop the best treatment plan.
**Not a means to generalize, but when lives of so many depend on one personâs decision, it should rather be a man.
Nothing wrong to accept this. Not in any way sexual discrimination.
Women are great in many other fields and should continue to serve people at large in many different fields where they can give their 100%.**
Re: Shaykha
Iâm a doctor, and lots of lives depend on my decisions, even when I have been PMS-y. The only time I went off, and appropriately so, was when a medical records office was giving me the run around this week for hours to get ahold of someoneâs medical records. I demanded the clerk at MR give me an apology. She refused, and I said âYou WILL apologize to meâ.
I guess if Diwana was my boss, and this was a muslim country, Iâd be fired on my period.
AndâŚthis is why I donât live in a muslim country.
Re: Shaykha
Thankfully, women doctors do exist in many muslim countries including Pakistan. Also, I submit to you that majority of Pakistani population does not live under a rock and do not hold such myopic views on women.
Free will, freedom to practice Islam how one seems fit is the real question. There is a segment of the population that wants to somehow preserve âtrue Islamâ and hence keep the record straight. Thus for 1400 years since Islamâs inception they have been arguing to preserve it as it existed 1400 years ago. I call this the âmullah mindsetâ. They are out blasting this garbage on microphones in our mosques, in literature, everywhere. A sub-segment of this population is out with guns killing everyone that does not agree with their understanding of Islam.
So while many of us have no problem with a woman leading a prayer if she wants - this âmullah mindsetâ following cult is out to defend the purity of Islam by preserving it. Some do it with guns - some with microphones and some with limited knowledge and IQ of a door knob, do it by googling PMS, that they likely do not understand, and then and then posting them on bulletin boards.
Re: Shaykha
It is the strength of a woman that prevents her from mauling people during her period. Women control themselves even if PMS-y, in their households, in their work-places, with friends and families. Thatâs not weakness, thatâs strength.
Re: Shaykha
What is the purpose of prayer, spiritual nurturing of the soul and mind, and Pledge of allegiance to god?
Re: Shaykha
So, the fact that is proven by science could not be countered. Women when close to or during their periods MAY act unpredictably.
Even OP as a doctor could not refute.
It is at times necessary to make a common person to believe on medical science or any other topic by using Google.
Women in their household CAN and DO show their emotional and irrational behavior.
More often than not, their emotional imbalance goes unnoticed because they are in their own household and free to act the way they want.
Their husbands/family members may or may not recognize it or choose to accept or even ignore.
Re: Shaykha
It is the strength of men to patiently deal with emotional, irrational or needy women ..with calmness and wisdom whenever men are called upon this requirement.