Re: SHAITAN / SATAN - The Leader of EVIL
I dont think its clarity, that is lacking. I think it could be new to you because no body else, or not many people, from the general public bothers taking on the najdiyyah, or tries to understand traditional Islam. Many are happy with going thing or just focus on Ibadah. My posts should also read as accurate representatives of Quran and Hadees. You can actually hold me to the words, they are meant to be accurate representation of my religion, against what you have in terms of daleel.
Yes in a very comprehensive form as well including Jismi and the presentation of our Amal to Him SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam ,
and I do not apply takfir to its deniers (note to self: hmmm interesting)
We believe The Prophet SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam did taste death, if your trying to get at that
Wahabis are very religious. Their recitation, and salah is something that is outwardly admirable. Their detail and following of text has also been noted by others. My personal addition to this last point is that I can often see things they miss out
The sentiments they come out with after reading the same texts are also different, This is the aspect that i think ‘‘does not go below their throats’’ because having a hard nose alone is not Islam, in Islam we have a soft side too.
I said Sunni Islam, as representative of Islam, meaning Islam does not allow for sects. Its Kufr to make sects, usually the differences in beliefs is what is concentrated on with regards to Fatwa. Sometimes the names are different but the religion is the same
It can not be justified, its explained with notes on Deviation with or without Takfir
I’ll post the reference in my next post In Sha Allah
The commandment is to go The Prophet SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam, and its not abrogated, acted upon
I’d prefer to have discussed this alone without any other subjects involved at the same time
I have written post 13, with clarity. If its unclear to you read it a few times, hold it with you, as you live life and see what you can understand of it
I am usually accurate and precise in what I say, what i said is still there. I said:*They are asking [if they went to ask, there is other reasons for visiting] through the Blessings on the place [site] and through the soul of the person, and often talking to the person
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*The attitude/culture towards Graves in Sunni Islam, regular traditional Islam of all 4 schools, comes from Islam, the companions, the fuqaha [jurists], and the Muhaddiths (compilers of Hadiths).
There is aspects of it which is a resemblance of the mushrikeen, but its not prohibited as source of Mercy and Aid
The similarities between Islam and Mushrikeen such as Hindus is another subject which deserves its own time, I will however mention a few things that will In Sha Allah refute you in the short form here
Islam has some similarities with Mushrikeen. The Hindu prays to stone…and so do…,it can be said, so do we. In the apparent form we pray towards a city, a sacred city, a Mosque, a sacred Mosque, towards multiple pieces of Stone (some Stone pieces laid by Prophets to be the direction of worship later), a footprint, a special stone, a curtain, a room, an empty space ?]
Do you know the Hindus pray towards stone too?..like you
Resemblance, interesting word
Also the impression you gave earlier was that you were likening us to hindus in some aspects that are not as serious as what you are claiming now. It should be Known that The Prophet OF Allah [Nabi], The Kind [Rauf], The Merciful [Raheem] SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam left for us Mercy in His Shariah in our customs as well.
The Islamic view, as explained by my Imams *, is that the Momin has the Kingdom of Allah at His Pleasure. This is His reward. The Ruh keeps a relationship with The Body
Those that appear in our dreams can be our relatives, or the shaitan [the accursed], except for The Prophet SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam can not be imitated by shaitan the accursed. He sallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam does visit and The Kingdom of Allah is at His pleasure, because He SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam is a mercy to All of it.
I have a problem with the lecture now, after listening to it for a while the guy started seriously boring me due to change of subject. I do not take from him, I can see the falsehood even in good he says, so listening and keeping ears alert is difficult. Bring your argument here, however even if there is nothing there in the ground it wont prove your allegation of Shirk [which is what those you obey [shirk to do so] have told you go out to prove.
With regards to sunni Islam, you do know that the man you are following claimed nobody before him understood tawheed, dont you? He said if others claimed they understood tawheed then they are liars. So dont talk like you are representing Sunni Islam. You are representing the wahabi movement in a way which is not even camouflaged. and whilst you are claiming Sunni Islam has been upon Shirk!..can i? please…can i? …what a heretic
On many Issues I may not have answers to what you put forward in terms of evidences supporting your stance, at all times I have daleel for my stance. So that means even if you present something I am unable to answer or answer sufficiently, it does not mean you have refuted my initial stance because that still remains as an evidence to be taken into consideration. and vice versa
Let me stop you here, to help you. Worshiping anything other then Allah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala is Shirk
so when you say Grave worshiping - it is shirk
This means that if you prove the actions which are approved by Ahlus Sunnatti wal Jamaah to be shirk, you have proved your point
Some help for you
The people used body/body parts of saints, and statues of Prophets to establish places of worship!
The above explanation is not mine, it has been acquired from a fellow. I say: And then they prayed to or towards them
Quiet Simple really
Christians do not have a church without a statue, not that i know of
All surviving schools of Islamic Fiqh (4 madhabs) permit making dua in the direction of the Grave, if that is what you are referring to.
Even the saudi king, who funds the wahabi project as part of his kingship deal [meaning he might not be a wahabi himself, comment: what a hypocrite!], is seen making dua towards Al Rawdah Al Shareefa. video available on youtube. he is allowed, but we are Mushriks, ok.
Acts of worship such as Salah are prohibited towards Graves in Sunni Islam
But Dua is also a worship, that is true, but its not prohibited *
Salam is a dua, its to be done in the direction and to the Person whether on Ground or in the grave.
Dua has no qibla btw, can be done in any direction
I have told you, above, what you call Sufi Islam is Islam. The fiqh of it is from Ahlus Sunnah schools of fiqh, and our aqeedah is the aqeedah of Muslims.
its actually true that prayers if you mean salah, and worships ON shrines are forbidden by Ahlus Sunnah
Your comment on similarity with hinduism needs discussion. I am confident that on the subject of Shirk, our tawheed can not be trampled upon without consequences. The consequence of having a hugely different outlook on tawheed to Muslims [traditional Ahlus Sunnah] is shirk
You have failed to summarize this daleel correctly, or have intentionally accused Islam of Shirk [again] in your zest to prove us as mushriks.
you said:" …Shaytan whispered in the ears of the tonwnspeople: he urged them never to forget this pious man lest the townspeople abandon his example and be lost to sin.."
This commandment came from Allah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala also in the perfected religion
The incident you are referring to was the first incident of Shirk. If memory serves me well what happened was that the people revered a pious man. >This was all good and well<. You had no right to put influence of shaitan on this. Then time passed by. Generations changed. Knowledge was forgotten and then the shaitan the accursed whispered to them to worship the person. and there it was - the start of Shirk
The incident represents a valid concern that we may fall into. But we wont fall into it as long as we bring Iman on the Kalima [we do not forget it], and if we forget it or fail to bring iman to it, then Shirk will be imminent
Btw The Kalima
Calling another Name besides Allah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala - yup
One Name - KAFFIR
Two names - Muslim
Rabb Allah
Love Rasool
Tazeem Saliheen
Walis Many
Islam is risky, i suppose, looking at it from your prospective
The shaitan the rejected does misguide, but the things you are arguing about are from Islam, and can not be denied without consequence [deviation or kufr].
the shia just follow Sunnis, and add a bit
The shrines of the AhulBayt were popularized by Sunnis. The shia were very small in number till a few hundred years ago when they took a Sunni [sufi] country and forced conversions, and what have you
You mentioned Bidah, if again memory serves me correctly, the tabieen ?] were telling each other their practices except for the azaan would not be recognizable. The ahlus Sunnah have a different view on Bidah then wahabis, the wahabis have in the past needed to tell us that we were wrong to grow their own movement, so they devised a set of rules which helped them do that. Among them was their definition of Bidah, well refute Imam Shafi if you can**