just simple question, is it democracy that some one is appointed CM without having been elected? ok on the basis that he will get elected ??? so it is assumed that he is going win anyway.
I guess N league getting good deal out of PPP, they got all the important ministries and Punjab govt too, so Ganja bros may well be out of their age old iron furnaces and right into "pancho ghee mein and sar karahi mein"
when thugs like Zaradari start contorolling Pakistan with assistance from gangsters like Shahbaz shareef! fate is written all over, we just need to wait and see it actuallised. they leave far behind the previous thugs ie "Chaudharies of Gujrat".
Godfather style democarcy is in action, embrace it!
Don't worry have patience.
Pakistan will become modern and prosperous under these guys.
S_K I agree it looks improper that someone could become CM without having been elected but should n't you be blaming the loophole in the constitution or the system which allows for such things in advance of a by-election rather than calling Sharif brothers and Zardari thugs, ganja etc. Mind you I am not a great fan of both either but their party has won the most seats in Punjab not to mention a fair no. of seats in NA and we should all respect that fact. It is immaterial now whether you or I like them or not. The people have spoken and voted for them in large numbers. Let's not judge them by their past misdeeds. If they disappoint again this time, believe you me I would be the first one cus*ing them.
just simple question, is it democracy that some one is appointed CM without having been elected? ok on the basis that he will get elected ??? so it is assumed that he is going win anyway.
Chances are that they will make him a candidate where PML-N is in majority, does anyone have a list of vacant seats (if any) due to double victory or any other issues? ya sab hawaiyan maar rahay hayn?
Actually its called a by-election and it is common in Parliamentary systems of government. It is a usual method by which people are elected in the UK and France. So its not anything new. The difference is however, that it only happens if someone resigns or dies or some scandal occurs.
People do not resign for their political leaders in the west, though ironically this practice is common in India and Indonesia.
Thanks for the clarification.
Anyway, if Shahbaz Sharif comes back from one of these by-elections, then we can't call it unconstitutional. Yes, they are crooks and lets hope they don't repeat that history but what Musharraf has done and continues to do is unconstitutional and completely unacceptable. I know I have said this numerous times but seriously it seems as if there is no such thing as shame in his dictionary. Or maybe he doesn't use one. I can just hope that soon we will get rid of him.
Right after general elections are over, by-elections are announced. The reason is NOT to have some newly elected assembly-member to be the sacrificial lamb and resign to allow his leader to get in, the reason is to conduct elections for vacant seats. These seats are vacant either because general election was not held (candidate had died etc), or a newly elected member vacated the seat if he was elected to more than one seat. It is perfectly ok.
Having said that, generally, a CM/PM is not announced who is not ALREADY elected. I guess, in Shahbaz Sharif's case, they didn't want to create confusion like Shujaat/Shaukat switch, so they just went ahead and announced it like it is. Not pretty, but less confusing.
And, although I was not in Lahore when Shahbaz Sharif was the CM of Punjab, but all that I have heard about his style of governance, suggest that the guy was an awesome administrator, who actually got lots of things done. He may have, like his brother, focussed a lot more on Lahore than the entire Punjab, but hopefully they'd have learnt from that mistake and this time be more even handed. When I was in Lahore back in '06, I was disappointed to see that all the hardwork done by Sharif Administration was not maintained by the subsequent governments, and various streets/roads etc were in a state of serious disrepair. All these fine efforts need to be consistently maintained.
The real question is, how will Shahbaz Sharif get elected, considering his election papers were rejected by the Election Commission prior to Feb 18 elections. Presumbaly because he has a criminal conviction?? If this is still the case, then someone either has to aquit him, or they will have to change the rules of nomination. Both will cause some serious raising of eye-brows - though Pakistani politicians are historically prone to raised eye-brows and are fairly shameless in these matters! :)
^^^ Yea anything goes and doesnt go at all depending on the scenario!
by election is legal and allowed, whats shouldnt be allowed if some is convicted, shouldnt hold any higher public office and NO one should be above the law.
but law seems to be twisted according to needs always. becomes a hypocracy.
personally I dont mind being him as CM, as he is good for Lahore and I live there. while his gangster style is good for get things done for development projects going towards Raiwind and Model Town specifically and generally for lahore. Law and Order front, he got rid of many criminals and also some innocent people too. again wasnt according to Law, 90% police encounters were fake, people were arrested and killed by Police or handed over to Police already killed by their opponents.
few projects were intentially ordered to be redone, so some contractors can benefit from its redesign. ie. the Liberty Roundabout was demolished so many times and redone.
govt jobs had price tags, direct corruption by CM, pay the price and have the job, many people got these jobs in Police(people allowed to join directly in middle ranks that has never been the policy), and other departments.
Yep, and that's what you're going to get with "democracy" in Pakistan. Unless the judiciary starts taking serious action against these things, which the likes of the oh-so-praised-lets-feel-sorry-for-him Chief Chustice will NEVER do, these things will continue to happen in the name of democracy. What kills me is how Pakistanis were so anti-Musharraf, and yet no one cares if Shahbaz will become Chief Minister of Punjab
Even if mush was democratically elected prime minister, he wouldn't have done so many fatal mistakes.
because those slease bucket politicians know that they can only be in power if people elect them.
So Pakap screw the principle if the person fits your personal "I like this guy" list? Wow. We should really run Pakistani politics on this principle. Thank you for this. It is truly ground-breaking.
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When I said palatable, it was because of his education and senior position in citibank, not personal preference. And 2. Personal preference is exactly what NAWAZ is doing if he elects shabaz like this scenario, or if he elects his family and friends to ministries, and thats what he actually did, elect his family and friends because they fit his "I like these guys" list. I think my way going for better suited people works.
^^^ Yea anything goes and doesnt go at all depending on the scenario!
by election is legal and allowed, whats shouldnt be allowed if some is convicted, shouldnt hold any higher public office and NO one should be above the law.
but law seems to be twisted according to needs always. becomes a hypocracy.
personally I dont mind being him as CM, as he is good for Lahore and I live there. while his gangster style is good for get things done for development projects going towards Raiwind and Model Town specifically and generally for lahore. Law and Order front, he got rid of many criminals and also some innocent people too. again wasnt according to Law, 90% police encounters were fake, people were arrested and killed by Police or handed over to Police already killed by their opponents.
few projects were intentially ordered to be redone, so some contractors can benefit from its redesign. ie. the Liberty Roundabout was demolished so many times and redone.
govt jobs had price tags, direct corruption by CM, pay the price and have the job, many people got these jobs in Police(people allowed to join directly in middle ranks that has never been the policy), and other departments.
SK I bet you just moved to Lahore...SS is a man of execution...he is a man who has the capacity of achieving the results with minimum resources...If you would have seen his tenure 9 years ago...you would not have have been talking like this...he is a man of execution and results...and does not indulge in Safarish and chamchagiri...
^ He may be all that and more. The question is how the hell will he get in the Assembly to do all these great things, if as a convicted felon he is disqualified from contesting the election in the first place?
My point was, to get him in, someone has to do some serious tinkering with election laws or expand the scope of NRO to forgive Sharif's past convictions.