Re: Shahbaz Sharif vs Doctors
Please continue mourning Hannibal without considering facts. High court already gave a verdict in doctor's favour.
Some people just love to conveniently overlook logical points in a discussion just for the sake of point-scoring. That's what I have been saying from the day one: Why the YDA did not move court as a first resort instead of going on an all-out strike?
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2ndly about the HC verdict, if doctors have any grey material in their head or let me put it better way, if they wanted to get it done by sensible way without giving grief and pain to the people, they could have gone to HC or SC to start with...
So have you got he service structure after letting 8/9 people die???? or it is same what Punjab govt was saying, we will work on it??? ...
Good point. But the YDA does not have a reply to this question. They decided to wrench their service structure from the government by hook or by crook. Have they choosen the best available option to go get their demands? I don't think so.
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I have family members who are doctors.
Rs44,000 is not such a figure that you decide to leave patients dying in quest of more. I hope you tell your relatives that they will get their service structure sooner or later, but one who dies, does not come back ever.
Secondly, why government ads, if they are wrong, are not being challenged in court?
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^ the government is lying, otherwise in most hospitals the doctors were seeing the OPD patients in the emergencies. Dont blindly believe what the government is saying thats all.
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^ the government is lying, otherwise in most hospitals the doctors were seeing the OPD patients in the emergencies. Dont blindly believe what the government is saying thats all.
Government is lying, media is lying, court is lying, people are lying, dead bodies are lying, but doctors are right. Well, well, well... I rest my case!
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Doctors back agitating Punjab colleagues | DAWN.COM
**KARACHI, July 2: Expressing solidarity with young doctors who have been on strike for over two weeks in Punjab and finally faced police action on Sunday, leaders of various medical bodies on Monday opposed deployment of army doctors in different hospitals of that province and urged the government to initiate negotiation with the protesting doctors’ representatives in the interest of patients.
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Dr Mirza Ali Azhar, the Pakistan Medical Association (PMA) secretary, told a press conference on Monday that the Punjab government’s move to call in the army doctors was not a permanent solution to the ongoing tussle between itself and young doctors. He said the government should sympathetically consider the protesting doctors’ demands.
“If the two sides have reached a point of no-return or a deadlock-like situation, the PMA is ready to play its role in easing out the situation,” he said.
**He said that the Punjab government should initiate talks with the protesting doctors and advised it not to be misled by ‘a set of bureaucrats’.
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He demanded doctors be given a proper pay scale, promotion scheme and careers structure for which they had been struggling for many months.
“The Young Doctors’ Association (YDA) strike is not a new phenomenon but the PMA requests the doctors not to act against the interest of patients. At the same time, the Punjab government is advised not to resort to excesses against the doctors community and, instead, take up the issue very carefully and seriously, act immediately and accept all the demands put forward by the young doctors in the interest of patients, the profession and the public,” he said.
Another central PMA leader Dr S.M. Qaiser Sajjad said that the Sunday action against doctors in Punjab was nothing but a sad story of how the government mismanaged the things “It’s a failed government which has now acquired the support of the army now,” he remarked.
Karachi PMA secretary Dr Qazi Wasiq said that the government should not forget that doctors were already working in a compromised health sector situation. “False claims and propaganda to defame the doctors community will further jeopardize the entire healthcare system and cause another exodus of doctors from the country,” he warned.
Dr Abbas Shah, a leader of Sindh United Doctors Forum — a new body formed in the wake of the Sunday police action and the Punjab government’s attitude towards the issue — said that army doctors should support the agitating doctors and go back to their respective units.
He described the arrest of young doctors and their reported removal from medical assignments as ‘an unfortunate development’.
Dr Shah termed the police action and arrest of doctors from their rooms at the night hours ‘political terrorism’.
“We condemn the police action and give the Punjab government 48 hours to release the doctors. Otherwise, doctors across Sindh will also observe a strike,” he said.
Sindh PMA chief Dr Samrina Hashmi demanded an apology for the Punjab government for ordering the police action against young doctors, and deplored that the police did not spare even the female doctors in the action. She also demanded withdrawal of cases against the protesting doctors.
Dr Mujtaba Memon of the Doctors Welfare Association said that Sindh-based doctors fully supported the ‘victimised’ doctors of Punjab and demanded an equal treatment for all doctors in line with the existing services rules.
Dr Mohammad Ali Talho, Dr Nisar Ali Shah, Dr Nawaz Ali Mallah, Dr Shahid Qureshi and Dr Razzaq Sheikh also spoke at the UDF press conference.
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^ Good read.
Its about time these doctor's voice be heard and they get respect they deserve.
Threatening them with loss of their degree, license or jobs is ridiculous.
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Why are the doctors out on the streets? | DAWN.COM
For the sake of full disclosure before saying anything on this topic, I want to state that I myself am a young doctor, working in a public sector hospital of Punjab. The following blog contains my view on the issue of the recent wave of protests by young doctors and I have tried to remain as balanced on this issue as I possible can.
The medical profession is considered to be a noble profession but doctors are back in the news, for all the wrong reasons. After the long strikes of last year which were caused by a deadlock between the government of Punjab (because there is no health minister since the last four years) and young doctors, things were supposed to be settled by now. The showdown from last year caused tragic incidents leading to numerous casualties due to intransigence of both parties. Last year, there were three basic issues of doctors which were an increased in the pay of post graduate trainees and medical officers, regularization of seats and the implementation of a proper service structure for doctors.
We all know that the health sector is given little importance in Pakistan’s power circles. As a result, the share of budget allocated for health purposes is less than two per cent of the total budget. Due to constant neglect by the government, the private sector has bloomed in our country. According to an estimate, about 80 per cent of doctors in Pakistan are working in the private sector. The issue of payments was resolved last year and the other two issues were supposed to be resolved by the formation of committees to deal with them. After one year and multiple committees, no solution has been finalised by the government of Punjab. As a result, the young doctors started boycotting the Outdoor Patient Departments (OPDs). It should be made clear that the indoor departments and emergencies (where serious and admitted patients are dealt with) are working full time in all public sector hospitals. The propaganda that patients are ‘dying’ is plainly wrong. The main problem this time is the demand for a service structure, similar to other public servants. A civil servant who passes the CSS exam gets promoted to the next pay scale in a maximum period of 10 years, while doctors do not have this opportunity. I have personally seen doctors who have served for more than 18 years and still remain in the same pay scale. Despite the order by Supreme Court of Pakistan in February 2012, no concrete steps have been taken to formulate a service structure.
At the hospital I work, patients are re-directed from OPDs to the emergency department where most of them are treated accordingly. There is no particular crisis as has been portrayed by the government. Recently, a misinformed campaign has been launched by the erstwhile Punjab government portraying doctors as ‘mercenaries’. I wish the amount of money paid for those front page advertisements was allocated for the package of doctors, but as it turns out, wishes are not horses. Sadly, the electronic media has largely played a negative role in this whole issue and they have tried to establish the establishment’s point of view in various talk shows and programs. After the leaked video scandal, we all know about the ‘integrity’ of our dear media personnel. The same media that tries to strike a rebellious stance in different matters, turns into the devil’s advocate in this one.
Orders have been issued by the health department that leaves of all doctors are being cancelled and anyone who does not perform their duties will be arrested. Doctors from the Army Medical Corps are also being deployed at government hospitals. This heavy handedness and constant negligent behaviour will serve the public no good. **According to sources in the Young Doctors Association, the government is planning to privatize the health sector and that is why they are reluctant to reach a solution with the doctors. **Mr. Shahbaz Sharif is not willing to decrease the number of his protocol cars or to spend some of the public money on public servants but is happy dishing out money on useless projects such as the Laptop Scheme (Punjab’s Over Draft limit was Rs.27 billion and the Punjab government spent almost 40 per cent of the OD sanctioned by the State Bank of Pakistan to Punjab on giving away laptops), the Muslim Town overhead bridge or the Sasti Roti scheme (authorities in Punjab scrapped the Sasti Roti scheme after the Rs.7.85 billion loan debt accrued from commercial banks was left unpaid by the food department owing to non-provision of funds earmarked in the financial years 2009-10 and 2010-11) or his own publicity (an amount of Rs.80 million was spent just on the publicity campaign initiated under the Khadim-e-Ala government). According to the government figures from 2005, it spends 5 lacs on a single medical student in five years. Two days ago, a ‘senior official’ in the Punjab Health Department cited the figure of 2 million. Another juxtaposition of facts to suit their stance.
Matters are getting worse and worse. Thousands of doctors have left Pakistan because of lack of facilities and money. Eight out of 10 new doctors want to leave the country and pursue greener pastures because of the behaviour of government towards the health sector. Something needs to be done and it has to be done fast because young doctors cannot be coerced or tamed by using power tactics. The only people that are actually suffering in this fight are the poor patients who cannot afford private health care and have no option but to depend on government hospitals for treatment. An early resolution of this mess will benefit those poor patients and they should be the priority of both the government and the young doctors.
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**YDA strike violates Hippocratic oath, Constitution, says LHC judge
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LAHORE: Justice Ijazul Ahsan of the Lahore High Court on Tuesday remarked that doctors who were participating in the current strike were not only violating their Hippocratic oaths but that their actions also violated the Constitution.
He said the oath of doctors does not allow them to go on strike, and that by doing so they have disgraced the oath by violating it.
Justice Ahsan gave these remarks while hearing a petition seeking directions for cancelation of practice licenses and scrutiny of degrees for the doctors participating in the ongoing strike, denying to treat patients at government hospitals, eventually resulting in the death of several patients.
“The doctors can’t go on strikes after leaving the patients unattended. They have been bounded by their oath to treat the patients whenever they will come for treatment,” Jutstice Ahsan further observed.
Justice Ahsan issued notice to Pakistan Medical and Dental Council (PMDC), Punjab government and Young Doctors Association (YDA) for their reply by the next hearing on July 6.
Advocate Muhammad Azhar Siddique, who filed the civil miscellaneous application in his already pending petition challenging the strikes of doctors, contended that the strike was against the spirit of fundamental rights and also negated the sanctity of medical profession. The petitioner requested the court to cancel the licenses of young doctors who are on strike.
“If a patient dies due to the strike of young doctors, they should be accused for the death and stern action must be taken against them,” the petitioner said. It further added that the PMDC should also investigate whether degrees of the young doctors had been acquired from accredited educational institutions or not.
During the course of hearing on Tuesday, a provincial law officer submitted that the issue of strike by doctors was also pending before the Supreme Court of Pakistan which had restrained the doctors from going on strike.
“To go on strike despite clear orders of the superior judiciary is a contempt of court,” the law officer argued.
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Hippocratic Oath is a symbolic gesture, it has no legal value. There are many institution which do not do this oath on passing out.
Responsibility of care is not established by Hippocratic Oath, it can be established by contract of employment or service.
Personally i do not agree with strike, i think, the best course of action for YDA would be to resign en masse.
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And the funny analogy about soldiers going on strike. Soldiers don't need to go on strike, they come and take from national exchequer, whatever they want and no one has ever stopped them.
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And it is YDA again, there new objection is, while they were on strike read having picnic at kohala at the expense of lives of patient, why govt hired new doctors…
these leeches really don’t know where to stop!!! now they want tell govt whom to hire and when to hire and how to hire…
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Maybe because the newly hired doctors have not joined YDA yet, so that is why all that objections!!!
Re: Shahbaz Sharif vs Doctors
^ Good read. Its about time these doctor's voice be heard and they get respect they deserve.
Threatening them with loss of their degree, license or jobs is ridiculous.
And its ok for the doctors to threaten patients with death unless their service structure is implemented?
Re: Shahbaz Sharif vs Doctors
YDA has rolled back its protest strategy and it has been announced that it would be business as usual from the next morning. It is a good decision on the part of the doctors to resume their duties.
While YDA goes back to work, now the ball is in government's court. It would have been nice for the LHC to set the government a deadline of no more than 30 days to finalize a give-and-take deal with the YDA. Doctors happen to be the prime professional entity of any society and ours is not a different case in any sense. It is the duty of the government to provided them with the best possible working environment and take care of their service and financial issues. With doctors back to their duties, the issue must not be red-tapped again. I would always be standing by doctors until they go on an all-out strike.
And for those of my friends who tried to justify the full-scale protest of YDA, I wish they do not have to go to a government hospital with a patient while doctors are on strike and their wallet does not allow them the luxury of a private hospital.
