Shafilea

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How hard would it be for a few desi mullahs to openly say this but as usual they’ve all kept quiet. Wonder if they keep their mouths shut as to not offend the community or really they agree with it being ok to force your daughters into marriage :mad:

That poor girl, she ran away from home a few times, prob didn’t have enough support or money to stay away from her family permanently.. Her sister got into trouble after the murder for organising a robbery at her parent’s home (she’s now in witness protection and I read somewhere she’s provided new evidence for the murder case).. Must be some seriously messed up things going on with those ppl..

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this is where cultural influence is so much stronger than religious influence. You can clearly see how most people in our culture try to justify cultural BS using Islam. Honor killings happen from China to Africa and religion is not the driving factor.. Either positive religion teachings should be enforced ( I don’t see that happening ever since everyone has their own interpretation of it)or we must reform our old primitive culture..

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agreed…but neither solution is possible without educating the masses…how do we do that?

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Exactly!

Now I wonder if even that will do any good. I mean, even among the highly educated, *Jihalat *prevails. I look around myself, among my friends and the hate within the people is extraordinary. There are all privileged and educated young men, yet they will declare someone to be “Wajib E Qatal” over the slightest of things.. It’s sickening… :frowning:

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I hear you…and because I share this very same sentiment I refrain from religious discussions even within my extended family…where such educated folks exist.

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Education yes.. but it won’t do jack unless our women stand up for their rights. It’s really upto them. They need to have no fear of the society and demand their rights

they need to be aware of their rights. education definitely helps but unless they know their rights, nothing is going to change

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woman can only begin to stand up for their rights once they know them and once they feel that they will not be abandoned by society if they were to demand them.

educate them about their rights…
then educate them so that they can look after themselves if they are abandoned/isolated.

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I think it all boils down to money. Independent women are much less likely to take any crap from Male closet mullahs.

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and money needs to be earned…which requires skills…which need to be learned…
and that brings us back to education.

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And that brings up back to culture. Not only parents but all aunties within a 50 mile radius get their knickers in a twist about a girls marriage as soon as she turns 20 (or 15 depending on whether you a a mullah or sane).

Girls have this drummed into them that they should concern themselves only with giving birth to children and looking after them. In our culture, girls are too often little more than their husbands’ mistress and servant; the only difference being that they are unpaid.

Its a vicious cycle!

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whats wrong with the brits :nahi:

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An update:

Parents ‘Starved And Threatened’ Killed Teen

By Becky Johnson, Sky News correspondent | Sky News – 3 hours ago

The sister of killed teenager Shafilea Ahmed has described in court how her parents physically abused Shafilea “nearly every day”.

On the second day of the trial at Chester Crown court, Alesha Ahmed spoke from behind a curtain so she could not see her mother and father. Taxi driver Iftikhar Ahmed, 52, and his wife Farzana, 49, deny murdering Shafilea, whose badly decomposed remains were found near a Cumbrian river in February 2004.

The court heard Alesha Ahmed told police she saw her parents suffocate Shafilea, 17, at the family home in Warrington in September 2003. Shafilea had refused to enter into a forced marriage with her cousin in Pakistan, the court has been told.

Alesha, Shafelia’s younger sister, told the jury that her parents’ Pakistani culture meant she and her sister were “restricted in terms of Western culture”, which included the clothes they could wear and when they could go out. Alesha said Shafilea, a British-Pakistani college student, led a “secret life” because she was doing things she thought her parents would not approve of. Asked what triggered the physical abuse from their parents, Alesha said it was the friends Shafilea had, the use of her phone and the clothes she was wearing. She said the abuse was at its worst when Shafilea’s parents found out about her male friends.

Alesha described one occasion in the kitchen at the family home. “I can actually picture it,” she said. “There were knives used to scare her or threaten her.” She said both of her parents had knives and Shafilea had been sitting on the floor. “They were just hitting her,” she told the court. “It was really out of control”.

Alesha described another occasion when Shafilea was locked in a room with their mother and “not given anything to eat for a long period of time”. Asked how often the violence occurred Alesha answered: “Too often”.

Prosecuting barrister Andrew Edis QC told the jury that Alesha would later tell the court she witnessed her parents suffocate Shafilea by forcing a carrier bag into her mouth. Mr Edis also told the jury that Alesha claims she then saw her mother in the kitchen “sorting through blankets and sheets.” She then said her father went out to the garden shed and came back with bin bags and brown tape. The court heard that Mr Ahmed then put the object in the car and drove off.

The jury was told that Alesha came forward to police with her version of events after she was arrested in connection with a robbery at her parents’ home in August 2010.

Mr Edis told the court they would have to decide whether she is telling a truth which she has kept under wraps for years because of family loyalty - or whether for some reason after her arrest for robbery she “tried to help herself” and made it up.

The trial continues.

Source: Parents ‘Starved And Threatened’ Killed Teen - Yahoo! News UK

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I wonder if the body could provide forensic evidence that would lead to the cause of death. Perhaps that could be matched with the story the sister is telling and some level of truth be established.