Re: 'Seven shot dead' at US army base
They got himl alive & I hope they hang him by the nuts until he dies. People like his are giving bad name to Muslims are the world.
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It just keeps happening. Every now and then there's one nut case who goes out and do something like this.
Why can't they just kill themselves like other American soldiers who are committing suicides.
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^^ he probably thought that if he killed american soldiers that we is doing jihad and will go to heaven....
sick animal...I hope he dies the most horrible death....
^^ he probably thought that if he killed american soldiers that we is doing jihad and will go to heaven....
sick animal...I hope he dies the most horrible death....
He's going to have a horrible life.
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You know, he was born and educated in US, his family is originally Palestinian, and he joined up fresh out of high school. If he's 39, that means over 20 years ago. Let's see...1989...a different world for Muslims then, wasn't it? Nobody knew anything about Muslims back then -- just oil and Ayrabs. He was apparently against the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, but there he is, in the military, no way out.
When kids join the military, they don't seem to realize that from then on, they pretty much have no right to refuse. He may have believed in all the military hype before, but watching the effects of these new wars must have got to him. I think listening to trauma traumatizes the listener, too. And then after 9/11, I bet the anti-Muslim harassment got pretty bad. And a Muslim would have to be twice a good/innocent to be accepted at face value. That's hard. Not everyone is up for that. I wouldn't be.
Which is not to excuse him in anyway. Only to try to understand why in order to see future mental implosions in time to head them off.
At least he wasn't Pakistani...
Not everything a Muslim does has to do with Jihad, you know. 
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^^ not everyone but he certainly was
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aurchepio brings out a vital point.
If this guy was such a born and brought up American, with a significant medical and military service career obviously done well for himself and become a major...
yet he could not correctly resolve the conflict in his mind between being an American and (his perverted) idea of being muslim.
What chance do teenage muslims have against such perverted brainwashing?
The Afghan who killed the British soldiers who were training him and this idiot have completely undone the efforts of several years by hundreds of organizations to bring about some rudiments of trust.
It just keeps happening. Every now and then there's one nut case who goes out and do something like this.
Why can't they just kill themselves like other American soldiers who are committing suicides.
I was listening to a radio story about Ft Hood: there are an average of 10 suicides per month there. That is mindblowing. Think about it: every few days, another suicide.
The way I see it, this guy was an intelligent, hardworking American, born and brought up in the US, attended US schools and loved his country enough to join the Army. (I say intelligent because it takes a lot of hard work and dedication to become a doctor in this country). Nobody can claim he was a brainwashed immigrant idoit with a low IQ forced to adopt his views on Old World Islam in some backward madrassa in some poor country like Afghanistan, Pakistan or Egypt trained by Al Qaida etc.
As such, thinking Americans need to reflect on why such an educated American would be so mentally disturbed in our great country to do such a terrible thing. Similarly, Orthodox Muslims should also reflect on the matter and ask themselves why bright people, such as these doctors (there was another Palestinian doctor in the UK who tried to blow himself up at an airport) end up making this horrible choice in the name of Islam. I believe there is a push and pull effect (In Urdu the saying is "Tali dono haaton say bajti hay") that sends emotionally vulnerable people into a state of mind that permits them to commit such hideous acts. It is easy for Muslims to say, western hypocrisy in foreign policy pushed him to do this and Americans to say, fundamentalist Islam pulled him into doing this hideous thing. However, I believe the truth is always somewhere in the middle. I think we all need to do some self reflecting now instead of blaming others.
bob
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Everyone has an edge of sanity. Fully balanced people are equidistant from the edge in all angles - and so recover from the impact of events without breaching the edge in any one angle (hence the term balanced).
This guy was not equidistant in all angles - ie he was living between two conflicts inside him - his American life and his Islamic life (what he thought of it). When he was assigned to go serve in Afghanistan, I guess he breached that balance.
Which actually indicates he is a cowardly hypocrite who thought it was fine to serve in the American army and enjoy the privileges inside the base in the USA as long as he doesn't have to personally go and serve duty where the country wanted him to.
Everyone has an edge of sanity. Fully balanced people are equidistant from the edge in all angles - and so recover from the impact of events without breaching the edge in any one angle (hence the term balanced).
This guy was not equidistant in all angles - ie he was living between two conflicts inside him - his American life and his Islamic life (what he thought of it). When he was assigned to go serve in Afghanistan, I guess he breached that balance.
Which actually indicates he is a cowardly hypocrite who thought it was fine to serve in the American army and enjoy the privileges inside the base in the USA as long as he doesn't have to personally go and serve duty where the country wanted him to.
He did not have a history of juvenille delinquency or below average intelligence. He was a 39 years old career Army officer and a physician who must have undergone batteries of mental evaluations thruout his military life. So, I doubt the weak character argument will be very convincing.
He did not have a history of juvenille delinquency or below average intelligence. He was a 39 years old career Army officer and a physician who must have undergone batteries of mental evaluations thruout his military life. So, I doubt the weak character argument will be very convincing.
my point is more specific than that generalization. In none of those 39 or whatever years the Islamic life angle was put to any stress, until it was time to ship out.
So yeah, he would take all the stress and strain of med school because there is that big payoff awaiting, he'd go join and train in the military because hey, he doesn't have to worry about filing insurance claims for patients....but when it comes to actually going out to go treat and save some lives of fellow soldiers, that's too much for this guy. Oh yeah, some character
I don't think his religion was the reason for his actions. The real reason was his character and personality. Some people have the propensity to violent extremism. The rationalizations they use differ and are incidental to their surrounding and upbringing. This shooter was a Muslim so he has chosen islamist extremism as a vent for his tendencies. Let's not forget that the largest act of terrorism in the US before 9/11 was the Oklahoma City bombing, and Timothy McVeigh was not a Muslim. Neither were the Columbine shooters or the unibomber. Each of them used a different rationalization for their actions, but the true reason was the same - they were sociopaths.
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Also the guy who had 10 dead bodies buried in his house wasn't a Muslim. But imagine if he was. Only when a Muslim does something that their religion comes into question.
The ironic part is that he is a psychiatrist himself trained to prevent precisely the same thing he did. He was there to help soldiers returning from war zones cope with post-traumatic stress. They are not letting any more details out now.
Also the guy who had 10 dead bodies buried in his house wasn't a Muslim. But imagine if he was. Only when a Muslim does something that their religion comes into question.
Well, not only a Muslim. It is true for every minority - religious, ethnic, or whatever. If a member of a minority commits a transgression, whatever makes him a minority is the first thing to blame.
He is reportedly paralyzed from the waist down, and apparently feeling a lot of pain in his hands. And facing at least 13 murder charges. In Texas. His life ain't worth a plugged nickel now.