Servant who loved his prayers

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At dawn a certain rich man
wanted to go to the steambaths.
He woke his servant, Sunqur,
“Ho! Get moving! Get the basin
and the towels and the clay for washing
and let’s go to the baths.”
Sunqur immediately collected what was needed,
and they set out side by side along the road.
As they passed the mosque, the call to prayer sounded.

Sunqur Joved his five-times prayer.
“Please, master,
rest on this bench for a while that I may recite Sura 98,
which begins,
'You who treat your slave with kindness.”’

The master sat on the bench outside while Sunqur went in.
When prayers were over, and the priest and all the worshippers
had left, still Sunqur remained inside. The master waited
and waited. Finally he yelled into the mosque,
“Sunqur,
why don’t you come out?”
“I can’t. This Clever One
won’t let me. Have a little more patience.
I hear you out there.”
Seven times the master waited,
and then shouted. Sunqur’s reply was always the same,
“Not yet. He won’t let me come out yet.”
“But there’s no one
in there but you. Everyone else has left.
Who makes you sit still so long?”
“The One who keeps me in here is the One who keeps you out there
The Same who will not let you in will not let me out.”

The Ocean will not allow its fish out of itself.
Nor does it let land animals in
where the subtle and delicate fish move.
The land creatures lumber along on the ground.
No cleverness can change this. There’s only one
Opener for the lock of these matters.
Forget your figuring. Forget your self. Listen to your Friend.
When you become totally obedient to That One,
you’ll be FREE.

One of my favorite poems but a few questions:
Is slavery allowed in Islam?
If yes how would modern Ummah handle slavery?
Who will be the slaves?
If we are all slaves of God why have a few for ourselves? if Islam tells us to treat everyone as our equal then why treat or call a slave slave in Islam?

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Har dil Ma’-e-KhiYaal ki mastee saY choor hai
Kuch aur aaj kul kaY KaleemoN kaa Toor hai

:slight_smile:

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a slave is a slave and a servant is a servant....
u cant call them anything else because that is what they r....

when Muhammad (saw) was appointed as prophet, slavery was very much a norm, and just as all other religious injuctions came gradually with time, slavery too was dealt with in a way that the 'slavery' in real sense wud be abolished....
hence, after some time slaves were no more....

but, if one satisfies all conditions and fulfils all rights of the slaves, there is no harm in slavery....

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Slavery was never abolished, what happened was that the freeing of slaves was promoted to the extent that many people feel that slavery was abolished.

Prisoners of war can be taken as slaves but I don't think anyone would keep a slave since the freeing of a slave has a lot of reward in it.

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In modern ummah would it be allowed to keep slaves?

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Oh the modern Ummah like in USA and EU, I think its allowed to have sex slaves.

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Slavery is very much legal and allowed in Islam…It is a way by which many conquered peoples and defeated nations prospered under Islam…

In Islam there are certain guidelines by which a man can have slaves…

They are that the slave wear the same clothes as the master, sleeps on the same kind of bed as the master, and eat the same kind of food as the master, in other words be treated the same way as the master…

Imagine yourself as a slave to a Muslim who sleeps in a four poster bed, wears Gucci and Prada accesories and eats only Halal food from the best restaurants…:bling:

If you can fulfill those criterias as a Muslim, you can have a slave from a conquered nation…

Read about the Devshirme practice of Turkey and how non-Muslims argued amongst each other as to whose son would be taken as the Janissary in the service of the Khalifa and become a Muslim…

It was the west that tarnished the image of slavery with its brutal and merciless treatments of blacks…

The entire Greek society was based on slavery…If you wanted a house, you became a slave of a contractor, until he builds you a house…If you were in debt, you became a slave of the debtor…Simple…

In Islam you can’t marry four wives until you can treat them equally, similarly, you can’t have a slave if you can’t treat him like yourself…

Slavery in theory was meant to provide assistance, aid, a home, sanctuary and protection for the conquered peoples…The surviving men would become restless, discontent and depressed and the women would become whores if it weren’t for the Islamic style of slavery…

Think about it…

Would you like to be my slave Verizon? I live good Alhumdulillah, and provide you with whatever you like in exchange for your absolutely devoted services…

After all, Islam places burden of loyalty and dedication from the slave as well…It’s not all cozy…:smiley:

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Is it not true that slaves were those captured from enemies during wars? That IS how they came about is it not? And was Islam not the first religion to give slaves their rights?

Lajawab -- Yeah thanks.Only saw your reply after I hit send.Oh well. :p

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I think that the ‘modern ummah’ itself has become a willing slave, except for a few.

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Slavery is the most retarded and backward thing.

Lajo… how about reverse slavery? Under Islamic Laws, is it permitted for a Muslim to be a slave to a non-Muslim? Let’s say a Brahmin for example. Let’s take is a step further. Is it permissible for a Prophet to be slave to a civilian?

:jhanda:

And as you paint a failry rosey picture, what then the difference is between a slave and a free person?

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The Prophet Yusuf (Joseph) :as: was a slave to the Pharoah for many years…

As far as being slave to a non-Muslim is concerned, I don’t know…Typically, other Muslims are supposed to buy the Muslim slave from the non-Muslim owner…

Will read up on it though…Good suggestion…

And as for difference between a slave and free person is concerned, depends on what the times are…Setting a slave free is considered a Sadaqa in Islam, but not without giving him some money too for loyal service (an Islamic practice)…

But, one can have a slave for life if one treats him Islamically…

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Lajo. I think there is some confusion. Slave means someone who is not paid or compensated for his work. I think you are confusing a paid worker with slave.

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^^

You are right...Under Islam, there is no compensation for a slave's labour except that the slave has the same luxuries as the master...

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Lajo, Now I know why Ghulam Rasul is such a popular name in Pakistan. (Or Ghulam Ahmad in Qadian). I have never met an Arab whose name is Ghulam Rasul (or equivalent). Have you?

:jhanda:

Is Ghulam Rasul a proper Islamic name? If so, why aint any Arabs named that? Please explain. I invite all Scholars to explain that to me.

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Because that’s a name derived from ignorance…It actually means ‘Slave of Rasul’ or ‘Slave of Ahmed’…

Muslims are only slaves of Allah :swt:, so names like Abdullah or Abdul Ghani or Abdul Kaleem or Obaidullah are preferred…

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Lajo, I like your logic. You are arguing for and against at the same time. On one hand you are arguing that Slavery is permissible, but you think that being called Slave of the Prophet is out of ignorance? Abdul is Man, and not Slave.

I think our unflinching desire to be follow Arab ways is really quite wretched. You are saying that if Arabs were named Ghulam Ahmad, it will be acceptable, but in case of Desis, it is out of ignorance.

When will we let go of this insecurity?

:jhanda:

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There are Barelvis even amongst the Arabs, so I have no doubt that there are many Arabs with distorted names…

As for Abdul, it means slave or servant, not man…

And it’s not insecurity, it’s having the strength to keep as much of Islam in its entirety as possible…

Physically, I can’t be a slave of Mohammed :saw: (Though I would desire it), because he has passed on, but I will always remain a slave of Allah :swt:…

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In human history, slavery was an appalling tragedy and crime against humanity. A man cannot or should not 'own' another man. Just becuase your armed forces defeated another's, does not make you the righteous one with total control over another human. To justify the barbaric act of slavery because it was the norm of uncivilized society of the 7th century is ridiculous and a stretch to justify the literal meanings of scripture.

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Then maybe the Church had the right idea...Simply exterminate the conquered people...Incas are one example, tried with Native Americans but failed, tried with India but failed not to mention just brutally treat them like the blacks...

The making of a slave in Islam is not just having a human to 'own' but to provide sustenance and security for his family thereby giving him something to look forward to...

Like I said, the Greek civilisation was based on slavery...Much like today, slave labour was a commodity in ancient Greece...

Where would a conquered man find food for his family and security for himself...The answer doesn't lie in Western philosophy but Islam...You take that man in, and in return for loyalty, service and labour, provide him with security and necessities...

And what you think is wrong or correct doesn't mean much...You are talking out of an empty hat...Yours is the civilization that has killed more, been in more wars, destroyed so much that you really don't have much to base your 'slavery is wrong' dictum on Muslims...

Slavery is just a word dirtied by the west, much like liberty and freedom...

Liberty + Freedom western style = Millions dead...

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You must be kidding.