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also her question to me was what shall i say to those people who ask me why i wrote that and why i would write that, in acusatory tones.
what should she say. i still havent given her an answer as i dont know myself.
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This is outrageous!. If he is proven guilty than he should be hanged. I hate all that desi drama about keeping it in home. Getting police involve is the right step that this family has taken.
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By the way this story was described - it sounds quite one sided ... nadz123 what aren't you telling us? Please explain what the man's side say in his defense ... And whether this case really has been proven or not is there just a lot of accusation being thrown around ... The point I'm trying to make is that without you knowing what happened, without being there or seeing it, without knowing what role was being played by all people, how or why such people were left alone in the first place - I can't imagine anyone I know the leave their daughters alone with male cousins ... in a group yes, but never alone ... Or how was an offense committed under their supervision - all of this is confusing ... And some 12 year olds know what they are doing and many chase their desires just like any grown woman would do ... I knew everything at the age of 12 and I'm a male ... What he may have done with her he should get the fat end of the stick for - no doubt because he is much older and married as you say ... But everyone is behaving as if he is already guilty before a trial - already the accusation has put a mark on his name - so let the result decide how he should be treated ... This is what I have understood - that the trial has not happened yet ... Before then any words said are baseless ...
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Back off ... at least until the current case is over ... just because it into the court doesn't mean the perpretator will be punished. The perpretator/ family can get away with it too
you can harm the case and get yourself harmed too ...
and as for twitter, just say something along the line like you play along in spreading rumours ....
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By the way this story was described - it sounds quite one sided ... nadz123 what aren't you telling us? Please explain what the man's side say in his defense ... And whether this case really has been proven or not is there just a lot of accusation being thrown around ... The point I'm trying to make is that without you knowing what happened, without being there or seeing it, without knowing what role was being played by all people, how or why such people were left alone in the first place - I can't imagine anyone I know the leave their daughters alone with male cousins ... in a group yes, but never alone ... Or how was an offense committed under their supervision - all of this is confusing ... And some 12 year olds know what they are doing and many chase their desires just like any grown woman would do ... I knew everything at the age of 12 and I'm a male ... What he may have done with her he should get the fat end of the stick for - no doubt because he is much older and married as you say ... But everyone is behaving as if he is already guilty before a trial - already the accusation has put a mark on his name - so let the result decide how he should be treated ... This is what I have understood - that the trial has not happened yet ... Before then any words said are baseless ...
You're pretty sick.
That whole family deserves chittars and worse for defending the creep. Sickos.
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You're pretty sick.
That whole family deserves chittars and worse for defending the creep. Sickos.
That's a bit harsh. He makes a fair point, innocent until proven guilty. While child molestation is sickening, it's also a fact that a woman can scream rape and ruin a man's reputation. I am not saying that the girl lied in this situation. The guy probably committed the crime, but psyah makes a fair point.
Although suggesting that the girl may have "chased her desires" is kind of out there.
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ewwwww
what the hell psyah
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That's a bit harsh. He makes a fair point, innocent until proven guilty. While child molestation is sickening, it's also a fact that a woman can scream rape and ruin a man's reputation. I am not saying that the girl lied in this situation. The guy probably committed the crime, but psyah makes a fair point.
Although suggesting that the girl may have "chased her desires" is kind of out there.
the victim in question is a 12 year old CHILD. Not an adult woman, a CHILD. And yes, a 12 year old girl is a CHILD. Emphasis on CHILD.
Men who have daughters would never ever utter such nonsense about a sex abuse victim. :)
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If they can tweet about it, they might as well show up on the Jerry Springer show, and settle it mano-a-mano. 
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chasing her deisres .. hahahaaa ..
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By the way this story was described - it sounds quite one sided ... nadz123 what aren't you telling us? Please explain what the man's side say in his defense ... And whether this case really has been proven or not is there just a lot of accusation being thrown around ... The point I'm trying to make is that without you knowing what happened, without being there or seeing it, without knowing what role was being played by all people, how or why such people were left alone in the first place - I can't imagine anyone I know the leave their daughters alone with male cousins ... in a group yes, but never alone ... Or how was an offense committed under their supervision - all of this is confusing ... And some 12 year olds know what they are doing and many chase their desires just like any grown woman would do ... I knew everything at the age of 12 and I'm a male ... What he may have done with her he should get the fat end of the stick for - no doubt because he is much older and married as you say ... But everyone is behaving as if he is already guilty before a trial - already the accusation has put a mark on his name - so let the result decide how he should be treated ... This is what I have understood - that the trial has not happened yet ... Before then any words said are baseless ...
The truth is something that is only known by the alleged victim, the alleged abuser and Allah (swt). What happens if there's no proof, but for this victim's testimony and she's telling the truth, but it can't be proven in court? Does absence of proof or failure to get a conviction against this guy make her a liar and would Allah condemn her and her loved ones for saying out loud a truth that can't be proven in court?
also her question to me was what shall i say to those people who ask me why i wrote that and why i would write that, in acusatory tones.
what should she say. i still havent given her an answer as i dont know myself.
Nadz, to reiterate what I said before, this young woman may not necessarily be wrong to twitter about her contempt for this man, but she can't think that she can just do this and not be questioned about her words. People will always talk.
But, it's her choice whether responds to these other people - she can remain silent and not tell people about what happened to her. But if the guy's family mounts a smear campaign against her - what then? Is she going to let them drag her name through the mud or will she speak up then? She can say she wrote in support of this little girl, but that may not stop others from saying worse and the truth about what happened to her may come out. Can she handle talking about that or having that known? Her parents and husband don't want it known - it's not their choice, it's her own. But she needs to be strong enough to deal with this sort of talk - and it's never going to be easily done.
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Deputies: Girl lied about being raped - Orlando Sentinel
It happens.
I’m one of those people who was quick to condemn the man. I still don’t consider him innocent, but I do think people should temper the mob mentality until the police have done their jobs. That’s all. I’m still inclined to believe the girl, but we shouldn’t automatically condemn the man either.
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But if there are two people saying that this man is a pedophile shouldn't there be some truth in it? or are they both lying?
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Its an excellent thing that your family finally got the police involved, but for sake of that 12 year old's self esteem and future, its very irresponsible and selfish to publicize this case through the social media. The way I see it, the person's who been tweeting about this whole issue has no moral high ground either, yes its pretty saddening what had happened to her, but if she's an adult now, she doesn't need her mummy's permission to speak to the police. And in case she does speak to the police, there is a possibility that police would respect her privacy and keep her name under the warp. You can always find out about these things. I can't help but take this case as one of those instances where people just need any kind of juicy material to quickly jump the gun and update their FB status and make interesting tweets to get attention. The Social media is an effective tool for communication and spreading of information but its also responsible for dumbing down the average joe's. If that twitter owner has issues, the best way is to contact your local council and get the 24/7 helpline number for victims of sexual abuse to get all the negative feelings out of her system, without creating problems for others.
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I have to say, that by posting details of a police investigation and criminal proceedings on a public forum, you're no better than the person who is posting comments on twitter. Not all matters are suitable for seeking advice about from people on online forums. If the defendant or his family feel that they are being targeted indirectly online then they need to report it to the police officer in charge of the investigation who will approach the person responsible themselves and take any further action. Usually it'll be in the form of a verbal warning but at least it'll be dealt with properly rather than random relatives going round to each others homes and stirring up further unease over the subject.
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^What can the defendant claim in a court of law - slander, libel, harassment?
Personally, I don't think much of discussing matters like this online (GS, twitter or other social media), but unless someone has the fear of prosecution, how do you stop someone from venting online?
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You're pretty sick.
That whole family deserves chittars and worse for defending the creep. Sickos.
Am I really sick? Personally I feel you do not have the ability to understand fairness ... innocence before being proven guilty and so on ... What if someone accused you of child molestation? Then you would welcome my support ... If he is proven to be in the wrong then I'll be the first to give him what he deserves.
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the victim in question is a 12 year old CHILD. Not an adult woman, a CHILD. And yes, a 12 year old girl is a CHILD. Emphasis on CHILD.
Men who have daughters would never ever utter such nonsense about a sex abuse victim. :)
Men who have daughters would have been there to protect their daughters from such a thing in the first place ...
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The truth is something that is only known by the alleged victim, the alleged abuser and Allah (swt). What happens if there's no proof, but for this victim's testimony and she's telling the truth, but it can't be proven in court? Does absence of proof or failure to get a conviction against this guy make her a liar and would Allah condemn her and her loved ones for saying out loud a truth that can't be proven in court? .
Peace Sehrysh
The fact is we don't know any details ... I'm not calling it a lie by the girl, but it could be a cover up from the girls whole family, we don't know on what circumstances the man was with the girl or watching, or took forceful action, seduced her, when her parents were around or not and so on ... None of this was explained by nadz123 and quite frankly I believe she will never get that level of detail about this matter.
Islam expects us to behave with a lot of caution, it tells us to be paranoid of our own selves ...especially regarding instances of leaving two unmarried people alone ... But more often than not we diss such laws for being backward or restricting and when things like this happen we blame others and not an iota of blame are we prepared to accept for it.
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okay.
He has done the same thing to many girls, but families kept this hidden, now its all coming out in the open. my friend said he did the same to her when she was around 11 or so. so its atleast 3people they know.this isnt just an accusation. his wife was 14 when he married her. she was from pakistan, he was 23 at the time. he was caught by his OWN TEXTS he sent the girl, which is proof. he addmited in his texts, although now hes saying ohhh i dono why i wrote that, i didnt mean it utter sh't.