Christain terrorism again. It is a shame to see a church praise such attacks.
In urging rejection of the peace plan, the synod stated that it was speaking not just as a political party, but as "Christ's church of this God-loving people at a time of serious temptations for our history and the history of humankind"-- to the people whom it has guided upon "Christ's Via Dolorosa for centuries."
One more example of some of the modern Christian Churches giving clerical sanction or support for the murder of people of other faiths. Its called religious bigotry, intolerance and fundementalism by the world, usually. From 1992 till 1999 the Serbian Orthodox Church remained a leading supporter of the mass genocide of 300,000 Bosnain Muslims, Catholic Croats and Muslims Kosovars. To this the Serbian Church has not been held to account for its recent crimes of fanatiscm and encouraging genocide.
ALONG WITH milosovic and radovan kardic , british prime minister and then thier home secretary douglas hurd is equally responsible for the genocide in bosnia these men were holding negotiation with serbian leaders like karadic and milosovic calling milosovic a good statesman.
they called it a bosnian war when there was no war muslims were under siege from a regular serb army armed with tanks with serbian soldier raping muslim women and murdering boys. at the same time there was a arms embargo on muslims. it was the most unjust wars in history.
we must ask the leaders who were in power then what they feel about mr milosovic who is under arrest now? it was the muslim mujahideen and iran which helped the bosnian muslims with whatever they could!
america was not in picture america did not intervene for a long time calling ina european problem. american mothers were not ready to send thier sons to help the bosnian muslims.
no wonder omar shaikh grew so bitter after reaching bosnia. all the eurpean leaders behaved like fantic christians including lord irvin and cyrus vance who kept appeasing the serbs til the end and managed to force a unjust dayton plan down the muslim thorat
bosnian muslims must never agree to dayton peace plan which was passed with a gun on thier head
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ALONG WITH milosovic and radovan kardic , british prime minister and then thier home secretary douglas hurd is equally responsible for the genocide in bosnia these men were holding negotiation with serbian leaders like karadic and milosovic calling milosovic a good statesman.
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Yes, that is correct. The British was the greatest appeaser of the Bosnian, and pulled out all stops to stop the arms embargo being lifted to help the Bosnian Muslims. People like Karadzic and Milosevic would come on western tv and say that they were the first line of defence against the emergence of a Muslim state in Europe, and how the Europeans should help them. Througout Bosnia, and later Kosovo the Serbian Orthodox Church played a leading collaborationist part in the genocide of the Bosnian and Kosovar Muslims. This fact was ignored by the European statesman, and still the Serbian church has not been to account for its role in the genocide.
In 1992, Bosnia-Herzogovenia somehow became a member of the Oranization of Islamic States. Could this "minor" fact have provoked action by the Serb Christian population? After the removal of Communist "egality" it would seem that a push was on for control of the area. It is still in the sights of terrorists.
Muslims were massacred and nobody cared. They didnt then and they dont now. It was shocking how the EU just watched and sat on its hands when the muslims were being killed. When they started to fight, only then did they get involved. It was good to hear that Saudi, Turkey and Iran were providing them with arms back in 1992. I still say they should have taken out all those who were responsible and not let them move into Serbia.
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In 1992, Bosnia-Herzogovenia somehow became a member of the Oranization of Islamic States. Could this "minor" fact have provoked action by the Serb Christian population? After the removal of Communist "egality" it would seem that a push was on for control of the area. It is still in the sights of terrorists.
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No. Actually the Serbian campaign to rip apart Bosnia and ethnically cleanse it of Muslims was being planned as far back as 1990, before Bosnia declared independence. While in Muslim-majority Kosovo the campaign began in 1987, also to drive out the 90% of Muslim Kosovars from that province. All the time similar persecution has continued against the Muslim-majority Sandzak region of South-West Serbia. The Serbian Orthodox Christian Church was a willing executioner in this campign of genocide, and gave some within it even gave it religious sanction.
interesting that right wingers in US conveniently forgot this whole issue. Maybe someone should ask that jackass falwell or his idiot industry-member frank graham is this is the type of example christ wanted his followers to set?
One stupid muslim group does something and everyone starts wondering where the "open condemnation" of such action by people is. I can ask the same question, where is the open condemnation of this by these clowns.
It was widely reported during the Bosnian war that the Serbian terrorists would slay Muslims, and then burn a cross into their bodies to leave sign of their 'holy' inspiration for such barbarity. Then you had them blowing up Mosque after Mosque (some even 500 years old) to wipe out Muslims and any trace of their religion in the territories they conquered. All the time they would claim they were "defending Christendom" from the Muslims, and that's a twisted argument that convinced some people. It certainly convinced the fellow Orthodox Christrian nations like Russia, Greece and so on who felt the need to appease the Serbs and their actions in Bosnia and later Kosovo.
I, in no way support any genocide. However, Islamic insurgents were going to up the ante in that mixed demographic. Falwell and Co. would not come out and speak to an issure which did not concern his "brand" of Christianity. There are not many, if any, people of his persuasion there. The day they would get behind any side represented here, I would be greatly surprised. This whole thing was an attempt at Serbian, orthodox nationalism. Maybe some thought that the Serbs are the "original" inhabitants.
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Falwell and Co. would not come out and speak to an issure which did not concern his "brand" of Christianity.
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Nobody asked the likes of Falwell to condemn the Serbian Orthodox Church's collaboration and involvement in the genocide of the Bosnian and Kosovar Muslims. Where was the mainstream Christian establishment when this was happening? We hardly so any condemnation of the Serbian Christian Orthodox church then, when the Muslims were being massacred, their Mosques being blown to pieces and crosses burnt on Muslim bodies, all in the name of "defending Christendom". In fact we saw all the major Christian Orthodox states like Russia, Greece and Ukraine line up to appease the Serbs and the Orthodox church. That is a fact.
At least Milosevic had guts to speak out loud and he did in a very aggressive manner. Blaming the French Intelligence being behind those killings and war crimes, public suddenly became very quite. A low voice that is heard by now.
Has anyone taking interest in this and tried to analyze the real situation?
Not even THE GODDIES AMERICA. A surprise to me?! No not really.
Yes, the hypocrisy of right wing Americans is amamzing. They will go to any lenght to make up fanatasy stories in order to exonerate Milosvic and somehow blame Clinton who they hate. This is no different than the Islamists who make up stories abput Sep 11 and Mossad.
I don't really blame the American's that much for what happened in Bosnia and Kosovo, because let's not forget that it was they who eventually came to help the Muslims (in alliance with the likes of Iran etc). More to blame are the Europeans, particularly the British and French who bought the argument that the Serbs were "defending Christendom", and likes of Russia Greece who actively appeased and backed the Serbs. But after 9/11 it is pertinent to note that while people in America and Europe want Muslims to codemn fundementalists in their own ranks, they hastened to condemn to do the same to fundementalist terrorists among Christians.
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I, in no way support any genocide. However, Islamic insurgents were going to up the ante in that mixed demographic. Falwell and Co. would not come out and speak to an issure which did not concern his "brand" of Christianity. There are not many, if any, people of his persuasion there. The day they would get behind any side represented here, I would be greatly surprised. This whole thing was an attempt at Serbian, orthodox nationalism. Maybe some thought that the Serbs are the "original" inhabitants.
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ORIGNAL INHABITANTS?
does that justify american indians slaughtering the white settlers? or that thier ancesters were persecuted by the white settlers will that justify thier slaughter?
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..ORIGNAL INHABITANTS? ...
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Does anyone have any figures with regards to number of American Indians that have been killed?
"I don't really blame the American's that much for what happened in Bosnia and Kosovo, because let's not forget that it was they who eventually came to help the Muslims (in alliance with the likes of Iran etc)."
heart be still
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Muslims were massacred and nobody cared. They didnt then and they dont now. It was shocking how the EU just watched and sat on its hands when the muslims were being killed. When they started to fight, only then did they get involved. It was good to hear that Saudi, Turkey and Iran were providing them with arms back in 1992. I still say they should have taken out all those who were responsible and not let them move into Serbia.
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Muslims are being massacred everywhere today. But no one seems to care. If we had real Muslim nations they would not say quiet today at whats going on everywhere.
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Muslims are being massacred everywhere today. But no one seems to care. If we had real Muslim nations they would not say quiet today at whats going on everywhere.
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Indeed. But in this case and others the Christian clergy and establishment have failed to condemn the actions of people who use their religion to justify such genocides in the Serbian case, or where their own clergy are taking part in genocide.
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