Senior Indian politician expelled

Obviously you were sleeping the whole time :slight_smile:

As mentioned earlier, the Gujarat govt banned the book since it insulted a man considered a hero in Gujarat. Thats the state govt’s prerogative keeping the law & order situation in mind!! Atleast they did not issue a “fatwa” for JS’s head :hehe:

Pls read the book first and then we can discuss how accurate it is.

Really, you didnt know that? Maybe its becaue your a bigoted Hindu who thinis he is supperior to everyone else.
India overall ilteracy is 61%. Male literacy is 73%, Female literacy 47.8%

Turkey with 99.8% Muslims has over all Literacy of 87.4%, Male literacy at 95.3%, Female literacy at 79.6%

Iran with 98% Mulims= Overall 77%, Males: 83.5%, Female: 70.4%

Egypt with 90% Muslims: Overall 71.4%, Male 83%, Female 59.4%

Here are some links..

India
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/in.html
Turkey
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/tu.html
Iran
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ir.html
Egypt
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/eg.html

Why do ALL of these countries have higher literacy rates then Hindu India despite being Muslim?!?!?!

And because your such ignorant Hindu, I will also tell you that Madrassas have been the focal point of Islamic learning for centuries… They were greatly reposible for golden age of Islam across the world.

Also, Madrassa is Arabic for SCHOOL! In Arab countries, ALL schools are Madrassas.. :slight_smile:
Perhaps you Hindus should consider joing a Madrassa. It may help you catch up with the Muslim countries!:slight_smile:

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^ What about Pakistan ? Isnt that a better comparison ??

LOL… Ofcourse there is something worng with it. And its NOT their perogative.
You dont BAN ideas. Expecially when you claim to be a democracy.

And how is Fatwa any different from a legal injunction? There two words describing the same thing. And while the govt of Gujrat may not have called for anyones head, we know tha barbaric people of India would have had heads rolling in their oh so common mass riots if they had their way…

Why dont YOU read the book first and judge how accurate it is.. Your BS comment displays your ignorance readily. Go back and read how you dismissed the conclusions of the book out of hand.

Again,. read the book or STFU!

Only for India.. You compare relatively well with Pakistan, but not by much. Great accomplishment Hindu India! Give yourself a hand.

But as your Hindu brthren had claimed regarding Muslims in general, it simply doesnt stand up to facts.
Hindu India is far behind much of the developing countries of the Muslim world.

The fact of the matter is that you Hindus are so obbsessed with PAKISTAN, that you forgot there is an entire world full Muslims who are leaving you far behind.. :)

Thats why we ruled you for so many years;)

The idea was not banned, a book containing the author’s imaginary account of facts which could have potentially caused a law & order situation was. Those are different things.

You can debate it all you want, but in a democracy the elected government needs to take decisions keeping the wider perspective in mind.

However, its really funny getting lessons from a Pakistani on “democracy” :hehe:

Dude, I have read the book. Why dont you do the same before opening your mouth and talking about things you neither know nor understand ?

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This is how a functioning democracy with an independent & fair judiciary works…

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SC asks Guj to explain ban on Jaswant book

New Delhi: The Supreme Court on Tuesday asked the Gujarat government to explain why it banned expelled BJP leader Jaswant Singh’s book Jinnah - India, Partition and Independence in the state.

A bench of Justice Altmas Kabir and Justice Cyriac Joseph issued a notice to the Gujarat government on a lawsuit of Singh, challenging the state’s August 19 order banning the book in the state.

The bench decided to accord an urgent hearing to the lawsuit and advanced the date for its hearing from September 11 to September 8. The notice was accepted by Gujarat government counsel Hemantika Wahi, who was present in the courtroom.

Appearing for Singh, senior counsel Fail S Nariman pointed out to the court that the state government’s decision to ban the book violated his client’s fundamental right to speech and expression, guaranteed under Article 19(2) of the Constitution.

Contending that the government has banned the book only a day after it was released, Nariman said the state authorities did not even read it before banning it.
They cannot even point out the part of the book that they have found to be offending, said Nariman and demanded outright suspension of the order.

But the bench did not think it proper to suspend the order without hearing the state government, and asked it to have its say on the issue.

The Gujarat government, through an official notification on August 19, banned the sale and distribution of the book in the state on the ground that “contents of the book are highly objectionable.”

The state government also said that “it is of the opinion that the contents of the book are misleading and against the tranquility in society and interest of the state”.

Singh in his lawsuit, filed through law firm Karanjawala and Company, has contended that “the Gujarat government’s notification banning his book was a hasty and arbitrary one.”

Singh, who held finance, defence and external affairs portfolios in the BJP-led governments, has contended that though the Narendra Modi government accused his book of being detrimental to the tranquility of society and interest of the state, the government did not even identify the relevant portion of the book which it wants to call “detrimental to the society”.

He said in the lawsuit that he had written his book after five years of research into history of India’s freedom struggle and his 669-page book has references and end notes running into 67 pages.

Singh said he conceptualised the book in 1999 when then prime minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee traveled to Lahore in Pakistan.

“It was in 1999 when he decided to explore the historical factors which led to the partition of India and he did extensive research on the role of MA Jinnah before and during the Partition,” said Singh’s lawsuit.

It added that his book essentially explores the transformation of Pakistan founder Mohammed Ali Jinnah from being an “ambassador of Hindu-Muslim unity to becoming the sole spokesman of Muslims” in India.

Singh’s views on Jinnah led to his expulsion from the BJP – though he had been with the party since its inception.

The Gujarat government has banned the book taking into account Singh’s reported criticism of Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel in the context of partition.

The ban has already been challenged in the Gujarat High Court.

So who sets the limits ? Or is it that if someone says/writes something against Islam, you should ban the book/cartoons and issue a fatwa but not otherwise ?

And I wonder where all these defenders of free speech were when India banned Satanic Verses keeping Indian Muslim sentiments in mind ?

What a load of Hindu BS.

I understand that your english comprehension is limited seeing as how English is not your strong point, mr “Spit on the sky” :slight_smile: I will break it down for you.

When we say banning ideas, we mean banning intelectual and academic freedom. This is what your doing in India.
The Law and order situation could be prevented by having a functioning police force and a security apparatus that protects peoples right. Something that is lacking in India.

And debate is useless when your talking to a person who thinks rape is madated, and murder is justifiable. Or someone who cant udnerstand the basic concept of human rights and dignity.

And im surprised how idiotically you dismissed the book despite having “read” it. By read it I mean you actually opend the book, not just glanced at the cover, which some bufoons would assume is the same thing.

And im sure its painful for you to take lessons on democracy. But your country is such a poor example of democracy and human rights that anyone is a better role model. You should thank me for giving you the lessons you so sorely need consider what pathetic excuse for antion you truly are.

Who sets the limits is debatable. You have the same debate going on in normal societies such as Europe and America. But for my part, im not for banning anything. The cartoonist have their rights, im going to say they have a right to express their oppinion however vile.
Nor am I aganst the Muslims who protested, its there right aswell.

Im not against the Satanic verses either. I have a copy. Not a fan though.
I dont support India banning the book. Another foolish attempt at being PC.

You on the other hand seem to support stifling of such liberties as freedom of speech. So the issue is, why are Indians claiming to be a democracy and proponents of such freeedoms when they openly support the banning of such things as this book?!?!
This book is not meant to stir up trouble, and it shouldnt. Its the job of the state to protect such rights. The Gujrat govt is banning the book because t doesnt want to guarantee public order if it allows it.
So either admit that banning the book is wrong, or admit the Gujrat govt is incompetant and security is not under their control...

Good for you. Hopefully the Indian SC isnt as follish as people like you:)

Perhaps your SC took a not out of the PAKISTANI SC’s book and suddenly realized it needs to prove its merit..:slight_smile:
Because India is hardly a democracy and barely functional:hehe:

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The truth cannot be hidden for long.

There are many Jaswant Singh hidden and more to come in to light who will realize that Pakistan was created out of shear stupidity of Nehru and like minded and great vision of Jinnah and like minded.

We are aware of the ‘character’ of Nehru. He was not sincere or serious enough to make decisions for India.

The discussion above however is getting out of hand with no end to it.

He was a horrible leader aswell… His socialists leaning are partly what kept India struggling under the Hindu rate of growth for years…