Re: Senior Indian politician expelled
Irrelevant. Start a new thread on such a matter.
So do you agree with the banning of the book? Doesn't it state a grand level of delusion in the Indian psyche that even after 62 years they can't accept the fact that Jinnah did more than your leaders could?
Re: Senior Indian politician expelled
How you are assuming that Jinnah did more than our leader did is beyond my imagination.
Coming back to the topic. For your kind information, the book has been banned only in one state. Your favourite whipping boy--Modi's Gujarat.
The point of the argument is that this book does not contain actual facts and it is all opinion which might not be agreed to by the majority of the countrymen and could be used as a tool to denigrate the leaders of our country.
Re: Senior Indian politician expelled
He created a country. Nehru and Gandhi took an existing one. Jinnah started with nothing and created it to be the sole nuclear power in the Islamic world. Impressive.
Banning books is repugnant. Its amazing you are defending it.
More so its amazing that you are make up statements without reading the book.
He created a country. Nehru and Gandhi took an existing one. ** Jinnah started with nothing and created it to be the sole nuclear power in the Islamic world. Impressive. **
Very Impressive indeed !!!
Re: Senior Indian politician expelled
Most certainly is considering we were in a much worse off position compared to India.
The book was banned not because it has some positive references to Jinnah, but because it had negative references to Gandhi, Nehru & Patel.
Try again now…
Were ?? 
He created a country. Nehru and Gandhi took an existing one. Jinnah started with nothing and created it to be the sole nuclear power in the Islamic world. Impressive.
Banning books is repugnant. Its amazing you are defending it.
More so its amazing that you are make up statements without reading the book.
Jinnah was a shrewd politician and so was Nehru. Fact is that most of the congress supported vallabhai patel to be the PM (he won 13 of the 16 votes to be the PM), but gave up the post of PM because Gandhi asked him to do so.
Jinnah knew that there was no chance for him to be the the PM of free India and hence utilised the opportunity of Hindu muslim rift and drew the wedge further resulting in the partition.
Jinnah's thoughts were however very secular. He never wanted to create a islamic republic as such, he wanted a country based on secular and democratic principles, but with a muslim majority. (and ofcourse he drank alcohol, and ate pork)
With regards to the freedom struggle, Can you answer why is it that Jinnah never went to Jail even for a single day!!! Compared to that Nehru, Gandhi, Patel and a host of others spent years in various jails. When India was gaining independence, it was the most vulnerable moment for the country and jinnah bargained brilliantly to get whatever is today's pakistan.
I have accepted Jinnah and am aware of the History. I have accepted pakistan and moved on like most Indians. Looking back, I feel though we are left with only 75 - 80% of the original India, I feel that what ever happened, was good, but had Nehru accepted Patels suggestion on Kashmir, there would have been no kashmir problem. That one great blunder of Nehru is haunting India and Pakistan for decades.
Banning books is repugnant. Its amazing you are defending it.
More so its amazing that you are make up statements without reading the book.
I do agree that banning book is foolish. Unless you debate and beat things to death, we will not be able to answer the many queries we have. And also only Gujarath has banned it, till now. That's because Gujrati's hold patel in high esteem and they cannot tolerate any insult to patel. Banning the book will keep people's emotion in check.
Re: Senior Indian politician expelled
LMAO! Victory well done. You would make George Orwell proud. First you say banning a book is foolish, then you go ahead and defend it. Good work on the double speak.
OHHH! So let me get this straight Punajbee. If you insult the past leaders of India expect the book to be banned. Well done on the freedom of speech in the world's largest democracy.
^Have you accepted Mr.Gandhi?
What is there to accept of Gandhi? His message is a universal one. Peace brotherhood, etc etc.
Accepting Gandhi has nothing to do with accepting India, as Gandhi is not associated in the same way to India, as Jinnah is to Pakistan.
Most Pakistanis have accepted Gandhi. The problem was that Indians did not accept Gandhi. If Nehru had been willing to listen to the advice of the old man, partition may well have been avoided.
Indians have yet to accept Gandhi in anything other then name.
What you should be asking is whether we have accepted Nehru and the Congress.
And seeing as how we all know what part the Congress and Nehru played in partition, you should ask yourself if you have accepted them for their role.
What was Jaswant Singh thinking while writing this book ? Did he really think he could compare Gandhi & Jinnah and get away with it ? It doesn't matter what drove Jinnah to ask for partition, the bottomline is that he was responsible for partition. Justifying partition is not going to serve any purpose.
Your such an intelectual midget. Instead of actually looking at historical facts and making up your mind in that way, you choose to spout the same garbage Jaswant Singh is trying to counter...
Get a life.
OHHH! So let me get this straight Punajbee. If you insult the past leaders of India expect the book to be banned. Well done on the freedom of speech in the world's largest democracy.
So now that you have finally understaood what we are discussing here, let me repeat my earlier comment -
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Lets see a Pakistani write a book showing Jinnah in a bad light and how the Pak govt reacts to that.
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quote a single incident when someone is killed for writting a book in india....you have mistaken us for your theocratic traditions.
People have never been killed in India for having opposing views! You must be confusing yourself for a country thats NOT Barbaric!
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Good to know you like to ban books. I guess you are in favour of book burning.
So much for the world's largest democracy.
If the party follows a certain ideology and a person no longer beleives in the ideology then it is high time that he leaves the party on his own. How difficult is that for you to understand. Just becuase you have accepted Gandhiji does not mean anything.
Let me try and make this simple for you. Imagine you are staying in with a group of friends who do not drink. If you begin drinking and creating nuisance, it is better that you leave the place where you are staying and find someplace new to stay.
So the BJP believes in distorting history and creating falsehood?!?!
There party ideology is one that suppresses intelectual debate and investigation?
The entire party is based on demonizing Jinnah even if historical fact doesnt bear witness?
To give you and analogy you can understand...
Im in a group of friends who believe the sun revolves around the earth. I find evidence that its the other way around. Now since these friends dont allow such deviance from the stated belief, however false, I would have to leave as facts are not welcomed.
Basically, Jaswant Singh is not allowed to challenge the BJPs stated view, because they dont beleive in intelectual independance, and facts are not welcome.
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And thus is the problem with Indians in general. Facts, logic, and intelligent debate are not welcome, because the infringe on the maticulously manicured Indian ego and world view.
Same thing with everything in Indias little sphere. Kashmiris are all in love with India, and no one wants freedom, Muslims and other minorities shouldnt complain because they have the best of everything, and everything smells like Jasmine in India...
PATHETIC.
Good to know you like to ban books. I guess you are in favour of book burning.
So much for the world's largest democracy.
Its a sham democracy. At least to the extent that it has taught them nothing of any worth.
India is close minded and bigoted society that Gandhi would have been ashmed off.
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Hey they killed Gandhi. So what do you expect?
LMAO! Victory well done. You would make George Orwell proud. First you say banning a book is foolish, then you go ahead and defend it. Good work on the double speak.
It is not double speak my friend, it is called being pragmatic. The majority of the people might be OK with the book, but it is always a small minority, that can create trouble. So, if that can bring in peace and save some property, and lives, then why not ?
It is not double speak my friend, it is called being pragmatic. The majority of the people might be OK with the book, but it is always a small minority, that can create trouble. So, if that can bring in peace and save some property, and lives, then why not ?
So you ban a book because a small trouble making minority have a problem?
Thats why we have police and law enforcement. They are there to protect our liberties, including academic freedom.
This isnt pragmatism, its cowardice.
You should read Farenheit 451. It shows how censorship in the guise of pragmatism, is just another example of the road to hell being paved by good intention.
And why not is because it turns your society into a nation of intelectulal and social bumpkins.