Sending kids away to college

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I hope and pray that I am strong enough to make the right decision for them. Like UZ said - if they get into an exceptional school - it would be hard to hold them back.

My parents were not ready OR willing to send us away to school at 17/18 so me and my sister stayed at home and finished our college.

However - at 20 - they had no problems with me interning where I traveled and lived by myself.

I think you are just not ready to let go at that age. I know I am already having anxiety attacks with my daughter starting Kindergarden.

But I have the next 12 years to think about it.

Well, what happens if (khudankhwasta) the husband who's providing for them passes away or their marriages end in divorce? You are not immortal that you would live forever to provide for them. My father got us educated well just so that we could be financially independent if need be, and I'm so glad that he did. He always said "beta tau kuch bhi kar lai ga, he can even do mazdoori if need arises but I want my daughters to be able to provide for themselves in a respectable career".
IMO, boys or girls, both should be given the same opportunities for education and same restrictions should be applied on both.

And an answer to the original post... yes, I would probably send my daughter to a college away from home if it was a top notch college. I worry about her now as she's just a toddler but when its that time, she will be grown up enough to take care of herself and possess enough brains to know right from wrong.

And where did I say that you don't educate your daughters?

I don't have to send my daughters in another town or country alone to educate them. I will either go with them or may be their brother or husband can rent a house near the university.

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I actually think the reasoning you gave is exactly why I would feel the need to give both my sons and daughters the same opportunities. Before I get into that I just want to say that obviously having both parents present is ideal and incredibly important for raising a child. And obviously there are single-parent families out there where kids are raised in a loving, strong, balanced, and effective manner.

Like you said, many children suffer when raised in fatherless homes. Part of that is just because of the strain on a single parent. But part of that is because many women, even in this modern time, are not encouraged to become strong and independent, despite the fact that they are capable of it. That's not to say they HAVE to live that kind of lifestyle; just that if Allah SWT challenges them in a difficult situation they should know and understand their own strengths and abilities in order to bear it successfully.

Also, boys deserve protection too. And that doesn't make them any less "manly". It just means that they aren't buying into some deluded concept of masculinity.

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^ hear hear! well said!

That's your choice and what you decide for your kids don't make you any better than other parents. Besides, my son and daughter would have the same opportunities too, the difference is only that with my daughter, her father, brother or husband should be living near her house. That is the way Islam teaches us.

Also,if you got education and skills, you can easily get a job at anytime. If you never lived without your family doesn't mean you won't get the job.

I was raised with so much love care that i never wanted to leave my house and my parents but i see so many girls today who wait for their uni year to get far away from the house and parents, i can only pray and struggle to raise my daughters with the same love and care I got from my parents. Otherwise i can only discourage her from going alone far from the family, can't force her.

Besides, there are other ways to secure the future of your wife or daughter, i recieved a big portion of money when my father died and i didn't have to spend it because at that time i was living with my brother and studying. I've already started to save for my children so they don't have to struggle financially during their student life. A hadith says it is better for a father to leave for his kids when he dies.

Boys need protection as well but they don't have to wear hijab neither a female relative has to be with them when they're in another city or country. Fighting in a war is an obligation only for men and not for women though they can participate if they wish but it's a fardh on men only, why? Because for women raising their kids and taking care of the household affairs is equal to fight in a war.

And the reason you gave for fatherless children suffering because their mothers were not trained to be strong and independent. I disagree with that and many child experts and psychologists will also disagree with you. Because no matter how strong and independent a woman is, she cannot substitute a man and similarly a man cannot replace a woman.

I know When it comes to marriage, most men don't want a wife who goes to office from 9to5 but every woman wants a husband with a job. It's natural to say that women are not expected to earn for their husbands and family and if she earns, her money belongs to only herself but she has the right over her husband's money.

The girls need more protection from rapists and perverts, that's all I'm saying. I've noticed many men behave differently if they see I'm alone but when they get to know that I'm married they start treating me with respect and dignity.

I wish I could use more examples and could explain myself more clearly but for now this is all i could say and that's the way** I think** me and my husband gonna raise my kids and I don't like when people tell me otherwise because i'm a mature person and the last thing i'd to be a good parent is to ask some advice in a parenting forum on internet.

If you read my first post in this thread, you'd see that i only state my method of parenting and i didn't expect from anyone to come and correct me and teach me how to raise my kids.

I wish you the best.

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Snowdrop, do you seriously think you or your husband or son would be willing to move away from the rest of the family for 3yrs whilst she is at uni?? Ur husband will just drop his job and go wherever your daughter is or your son will drop all his plans for 3yrs to go and 'look after' his sister? Of course they prob won't cos they'll have their own lives/job/study etc. And besides what happens if u have 2 daughters of that similar age?

I used to live in a small town with no decent uni within driving distance, unless ur in a big city the chances of being able to study for a degree and live at home are slim. Also, the competition for places in degrees like medicine or law can mean students aren't offered places nr where they live.

I'd encourage my daughter to go away to uni (if that was what she wanted), I'd also encourage her to go abroad for a gap year and do something constructive. Leaving ur kids a big sum of money will not guarantee they will be ok financially. I have seen plenty of ppl (girls and boys) squandering money that was left to them, esp when they have never studied at higher level or worked as they don't seem to understand how to manage it properly. Also, what tends to happen in desi families is that male family members (brothers, fathers, who u'd think could be trusted) take control of the female members money and it 'disappears.' Really, you can't rely on anyone these days..

Regarding the 'safety' arguments if they live with a group of girls (or lodge with a Muslim family) I really can't see what the problem would be. Seems like some ppl just don't feel comfortable giving their daughters the same rights as their sons (who also aren't meant to free-mix etc if we're talking Islamically) and should also be forced to live at home or not go to uni if their sisters aren't imo. The excuse of 'oh they need to go cos they are the providers of the family' etc doesn't cancel out the Islamic rulings, does it? If ur going to follow Islam that way u should skip mixed universities for the sons as well and tell them to set up a family business or something instead..

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^I'll buy a house right next to Oxford or Cambridge, moving is not a problem for me or my husband.

I don't know where you're getting free mixing in universities being haram. And nowhere i said that i won't send my daughters to a uni, please read carefully what i said or refrain from arguing with me.

You're telling me that I shouldn't trust the father or brother but those "muslim girls" in Uni or some "muslim family" whom I don't know and I can trust them just because they call themselves muslims, are you even serious?

This could happen in this case and that could happen in that case....what if you send your daughter alone outside at night and she gets raped?

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^ what if she's crossing the road to to the uni across the street and gets hit by a car, God forbid? or what if the carefully chosen-by-you husband turns out to be a wife beater, God forbid? or what if, despite your best efforts, she falls into the wrong crowd at the university next door, God forbid? if your daughter is determined to act out, she will find ways you could never dream of.
and like you said, we could argue the what-if's all night long. it seems to me that if you trust in Allah, and you should, then wherever your daughter goes, you will trust that she is under Allah's protection. after all, what is in her qismet is not for you or your husband or anyone here to argue about or have control over.

and consider the consequences of her growing up, realizing that her brother/s are allowed much more freedom of movement than she is. that might imply a lot of things to her about what you and your husband think of her as a person, and it could backfire on you badly-- believe me when i say this- i've been there, done that, and it took me years to repair the damage. looking back, i see it as my unique path to personal growth, and ultimately, becoming closer to my religion AH, but its not something i would recommend to anyone.

what all of us are doing here is negating her wishes and personality entirely, in this argument.
you might have a son who is really immature and a daughter who is entirely responsible. what then? would you still send him away to act like an idiot at uni because he's a boy and he can, and keep your daughter near you and by doing so, possibly limit her opportunities?

IMHO these are not things to firm your minds up on before you know your children- these are things to discuss with your children when the time comes because it will affect them the most.

in the meantime, i suggest we all pray for neyk hidayat and neyk offspring.

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^ I agree with everything there, well said!

From experience, I can say that if you don't give your daughter & son equal opportunities and you keep emphasising how boys should be more strong, outgoing etc etc THEN your taking the risk of having your daughter grow up with low confidence in herself and what she can do (aswell as many other issues). And believe me, its not nice AT ALL & extrememly HARD to re-gain that lost confidence if she tries to later on. I think at the very very least, you should have equal rules for them both where education is concerned especially. Parents should be the ones building your confidence (both boys & girls).. teaching them (not just words, but by actions aswell) the importance of being strong, independent & always doing what is right - after you've taught them as parents, you can't do anything more then trusting your teachings, them and trust Allah swt to watch over them.

(^ not aimed at anyone specifically. Just my honest opinion on what was being discussed.)

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ummm.. I think it is very important for a girl to go away for college. especially if she is not independent and confident. I understand what moms here are feeling! hehe! cuz I have seen my mom's expressions every time it's time for me to go back! lol! I am almost done with high school and now she is worried again for college! err.. and abt the girls nd boys issue! I think if you give them the right tarbiat and if they know their limits! You can trust god and nothing can happen to them!

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Most kids go away to college because they're sick of living at home.

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My son can go away if he wants to … but his ammi is going with him. :devil:

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When I was going away to college, I remember my dad didn't sleep all night before my flight because he was so sad about me leaving. When I was applying to schools, they were all out of state and my parents never held me back. They were even okay with me going to UK when I got accepted at a school there. They told me, we trust you and your decisions, you can go to any school of your choice. I ended up going to college in a far, far state but missed my family so much that I had to come back. Im not even that attached to my parents, I don't share the most perfect relationship with them either but I would still call them in the middle of night crying because I just couldn't bear them being so far away from me. I even get anxious when they go away on a trip or something.. and now Im starting to wonder what I'll do when Im married and move away. The other day I hugged my mom and cried and told her to move with me after my rukhsati. That totally shocked my mom because I have never been the one to express my emotions to her. I have realized that just them being around is so comforting, when they are away, it makes me feel like that shield is gone. I kind of understand your pain, Saj :(

:smack: You will be such a kabab may haddi.

can some one please remove this smiley from GS :smack:

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So my older girl comes to me in the kitchen a couple of days ago, holds on to my leg and says with gulping sobs and quivering lips: “mom, do all kids have to go away and live in their colleges?” So I said, “no, why do you ask?” She goes, “because I will not be able to handle it without my family.” And then the tears and hiccups and all that started. And I joined and we celebrated the fact that she wasn’t going away :dixsi:

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^ :lifey:

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my oldest got admission in 7 out of 8 colleges in U.S.A. including smith college. but my husband could not make himself agree to let her go. :(

with full scholarships in some...... :(

i hope there is some silver lining in that decision.