AP Sources: Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders to Run for President - ABC News
Can he out-raise Clintons and generate some enthusiasm in the base? He may not go far, but some of his positions, like the one about universal health care, stand against Citizens United verdict, may become more popular with the centrists within the democratic party.
Re: Senator Bernie Sanders to present liberal challenge to Clinton
There is that dreaded word again
Re: Senator Bernie Sanders to present liberal challenge to Clinton
Good, i want clinton to be challenged. And so far there were absolutely no news from Dem camp. To be fair i think clinton is very weak candidate.
And she can raise a ton of money no doubt, nobody can compete with that but there is a lot of hatred against her, she wont be able to win
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I don’t see Clinton winning either, unless of course Rubio gets nominated and starts gulping down glasses of water mid-debate. In fact any of the current republican candidates is capable of being that absurd. Bernie Sanders could force Clinton to move left, which is not necessarily a bad thing; the left is still popular with voters viz-a-viz the right. It will be an interesting 18 months.
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Hillary is a bit shady, and she tends to lean a bit to far to the right. Elizabeth Warren might have been a better choice. Sanders is ok, but to bad he wont win.
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Clinton has tons of money. And she may win over more conservative democrats…
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That she does. But she is no Bill Clinton. Bet Jeb Bush will be able to raise a lot more than her.
Do you think Blue dogs will play a significant role in this election?
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3 strikes you are out law - courtesy of Clinton
Increasing number of police officers - Clinton
taking “criminals” off the street - Clinton
"Vote for Iraq war.- Clinton
Dodging imaginary bullets at an airport tarmac somewhere near old Yugoslavia - Clinton
Making 100000 dollars.frpm a 1000 dollar cattle futures bet - Clinton
This is a partial list of misaccomplishments
Re: Senator Bernie Sanders to present liberal challenge to Clinton
Sanders is old and a socialist. Whatever Bill maher likes doesn’t mean that it is electable in all of America.
Re: Senator Bernie Sanders to present liberal challenge to Clinton
Bill Maher is no liberal. He has some liberal views. Bernie Sanders has great ideas. The right wing has succeeded in painting him with negative terminologt such as socialist. And the lamestream media repeats it. And the public laps it up.
In a contest of ideas Sanders laps the competition. In a contest of negative labeling the rethugs are second to none.
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Since when do liberals consider socialist ‘negative’? No real liberal gets offended by that moniker. Also, it was not the right wing that labeled him a ‘socialist’. He calls himself one.
That is from wikipedia. Bernie Sanders - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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A true liberal doesn’t consider socialist a negative label. But how many true liberals are there. Most democrats dismiss Sanders as a socialist. If that is not negative, then you wouod be correct.
Sanders proudly calls himself.a..socialist. and the rethugs have proudly succeeded in turning socialist into a negative word - from which most democrats run away.
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Not just democrats. Any sane person will run away from it. It is a failed ideology and only ideologues ( within the democratic party ) hold on to it.
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Yes. Just as idealogues insist the top 0.01 pct should pay more in taxes. And the centrists listen to both sides and think CNN is a reliable news network.
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And by the way, socialism is alive and well today. For the big banks who were bailed out at taxpayers expense. While capitalism applies to student loans which can’t be forgiven.
Bernie Sanders opposes this socialism. While centrists look at both sides.
Rather than focus on a lanel, it would make more sense to focus on specific ideas. In a contest of ideas and solutions Sanders wins.
I do disagree with his views on social security. I think those who are well to do and have gotten back more than they put in should have some cuts in remittances.
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Like I said in my first post, he has some good ideas. Specially the one about universal healthcare with single payer system. The purpose his candidacy serves it to bring that and other ideas that have languished in the far left to the center. He does not have enough chips in this game to take those ideas and turn them into laws. And that is why he will never get the democratic nomination.
If you think bailing out banks was socialism, then you have no idea what socialism actually is. ( hint: what Mrs. Gandhi did to banks in your country back in the 70s ). When Bush bailed the banks, it was either capitalism or corruption, it certainly was not socialism.
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I think you missed my point -.it was socialism for the banks in terms of the guaranteed safety net they got. While the public rails against safety nets that are provided to the poor.
Yes, capitalism is essentially socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor. Sanders would like to reverse it - which is at should be.
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Guaranteed? Really? It happened once and not all banks got the support either; remember Lehmann?
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Ok. Since you can’t see the forest from the trees, let me modify that with - guaranteed 100 cents on the dollar to GS, JPM, Deutsche bank, UBS and probably a couple more big banks. You are correct. Not ALL banks or financial institutions were bailed out. The.big boys named here got socialism and a safety net.
Bigger picture - which centrists rarely get - is the type of socialism that Sanders favors wouod not have allowed this highway robbery to happen. And will ensure those who work 60 hrs a week will get to love a comfortable life.
Big bad Bernie ain’t the problem.
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Am afraid you are the one that is being dense here. The point made here is this: just as you exaggerated the bailout as guaranteed, you are exaggerating the plight of middle class ( the ones that works 60 hours a week ) and the poor. There is a safety net available to them in the form of social security and medicare. Sure it might go bankrupt in a few years, but as it currently is, it is available to the ones in need for food and medical expenses.
Also, you are just trying to be obtuse when you say I consider Sanders bad. Am glad he is a candidate; I just don’t think he will win the nomination.