Re: Senate rises against PTI for siding with Taliban
Lets assume we all agree that PTI's stance is wrong....now can someone explain how that stance is keeping the PMLN led federal govt from taking any action or making any decisions? Any ideas on what brand PPP govt was smoking for the past 5 years when they were (not) making all those anti-terrorism moves and (not) ridding Pakistan of violence?
Two wrongs do not make a right. Are you trying to say that because PML and PPP did not take stand against the TTP so it is ok for PTI to do that as well. the trouble with PTI approach is that of appeasement of TTP and its lack of condemnation of this barbaric organisation. Also lets not forget who PTI is in bed with in KPK, the lovers of TTP animals. Says it all.
Re: Senate rises against PTI for siding with Taliban
Two wrongs do not make a right. Are you trying to say that because PML and PPP did not take stand against the TTP so it is ok for PTI to do that as well. the trouble with PTI approach is that of appeasement of TTP and its lack of condemnation of this barbaric organisation. Also lets not forget who PTI is in bed with in KPK, the lovers of TTP animals. Says it all.
No. What I am saying is that PTI has a stance. Regardless of whether its right or wrong,it is not in a position to implement that stance because it is not running the fed.
PPP on the other hand was in the federal govt for 5 years. They had executive authority, and could have implemented what they believed to be the right stance. But fact is, they didnt have a stance at all. They had 2 faces.....one for the US, one for Pakistan.
PMLN is in power now. And whatever stance they may have, they are not implementing either.
So if the parties in power are not willing to take any action, why does PTI take the blame for its stance? Its like punishing Peter, because Paul robbed John.
Re: Senate rises against PTI for siding with Taliban
PTI should keep quiet on the topic, as they are not in a position to order operations or negotiations with the terrorists. Imran Khan's statements (tantamount to begging taleban) for talks after every terror attack is damaging him and the party and strengthening PMLN (despite its poor governance). Every one knows PTI's stance and its not necessary to keep repeating it. Considering taleban are not adhering to his requests, this only puts him in a bad spot.
Re: Senate rises against PTI for siding with Taliban
^^^Who has stopped IK to come out openly and say what you are saying? Or are you spokes person for him? The apprehensions in the minds of people are due to silence on this key issue and diverting all wrath to America rather than at least condemning these 'maut ke saudagar'.
Imran's been silent? Really?
If anything his policies have been overexposed and over analysed. He’s the only one politician who has persistently talked about ways of getting out of this war even at the expense of delaying his political success. Right now, neither Imran is blaming the US nor the US is coming up with anymore ‘do more’ rhetoric. For once, it seems the armed forces are under no pressure and have the total freedom to make their own policies, but then again, exactly why the army is so reluctant to take an initiative and have the civil administration follow the way? Now make everybody laugh and say Imran is an undercover COAS, hence the reason why army is so obedient to him.
It’s getting tedious to see handful of NRP’s beating the same old drum about ‘condemnation’, it feels as though they wake up every morning just to Google whether Immi has said anything against Taliban or not. This is it. This is Pakistani politics for them and this is whatever interest they have in seeing the wellbeing of Pakistanis. It is all about Imran! Every possible issue starts and ends at him. Such type of binary viewing of extremely complex issues helps no one. It might feel nice to have such philosophical debates from the comforts of your home in UK/US and decide should Pakistani go the Syrian way or not. However, the reality is Pakistanis made the decisions to vote for a quick and bloodless end to this war. They had heard every type of fancy Taliban ‘condemnation’ from Bush to Mushrraf, from Zardari to Altaf, from Asfandyar Wali Khan to Chaudry Shujaat and from Raisani to Billy B. All such condemnation brought ‘zero’ relief to the country and played no part in defeating terrorism. In fact, I must add, what a huge shame it is that it took so called pro Taliban parties like PMLN and PTI to bring violence to minimum level.
I’ve been following Pakistan and this war for the very first day and yes indeed, I see a big difference between Pakistan of today and the Pakistan of 2009 Therefore, if these parties can manage to control violence and decrease its intensity, I am hopeful that one day they’ll be able to get rid of completely as well. At the end of the day, I would support any decision that’ll come from the armed forces. PTI, it when comes to foreign policy doesn’t count for much, even I can admit to this fact, but God knows why some forever bitter and hopeless opponents of Imran are so desperate to paint him as significantly more powerful and influential than he actually is or can be.
Re: Senate rises against PTI for siding with Taliban
I wonder how conveniently people and the press forget that APC never meant PTI which mandated the federal government to hold talks with the TTP. Apart from Sheikh Rashid and Ejazul Haq, almost every political leader made it to the Prime Minister's House to enjoy the buffet of APC. Yet, when it comes to owning the collective decision, it must be PTI to take the fire.
Could someone please point out a single pre-poll election speech wherein the Sharifs pledged to destroy the TTP with tanks and fighter jets? Why must we sidestep Shahbaz's appeal to militants to spare Punjab? Yet the Noon League senators have the temerity to offer help to KP to improve law and order!
The only difference between the PTI and the Noon League is that while the former continues to stick to its pre-poll promise of holding talks, the latter stands clearly divorced from its pledges of the same kind.
If election verdict, resolutions of joint sessions of both houses and three APCs are not enough for the leadership of the country to set its direction, then let's have a referendum to get a clear-cut verdict from the nation. Let's ask the nation 'tanks or talks?' and implement their verdict from the moment it is delivered, unlike sleeping over it like APC's mandate to the federal government.
Re: Senate rises against PTI for siding with Taliban
I'm totally agreed with Raouf Kalsara that in current situation there is only one party left JI aka PTI ( he said IK PTI ) is only party left who still want negotiation with militants and there is confusion in Fed govt that if there is an operation go without IK razamandi might be bring more poltical strikes against it, in Pmln their leaders are also confused on it PM say something and Ch.nisar different.
Re: Senate rises against PTI for siding with Taliban
I wonder how conveniently people and the press forget that APC never meant PTI which mandated the federal government to hold talks with the TTP. Apart from Sheikh Rashid and Ejazul Haq, almost every political leader made it to the Prime Minister's House to enjoy the buffet of APC. Yet, when it comes to owning the collective decision, it must be PTI to take the fire.
Could someone please point out a single pre-poll election speech wherein the Sharifs pledged to destroy the TTP with tanks and fighter jets? Why must we sidestep Shahbaz's appeal to militants to spare Punjab? Yet the Noon League senators have the temerity to offer help to KP to improve law and order!
The only difference between the PTI and the Noon League is that while the former continues to stick to its pre-poll promise of holding talks, the latter stands clearly divorced from its pledges of the same kind.
If election verdict, resolutions of joint sessions of both houses and three APCs are not enough for the leadership of the country to set its direction, then let's have a referendum to get a clear-cut verdict from the nation. Let's ask the nation 'tanks or talks?' and implement their verdict from the moment it is delivered, unlike sleeping over it like APC's mandate to the federal government.
Frankly, doesn't it make PTI a "Friendly opposition", the title they gave to PML-n for not doing opposition work against PPP? Shehbaz sharif protested against PPP as well as I am sure that you can find clips on youtube where CM Punjab would show up and start naara bazi against federal govt for loadshedding in Punjab, which could mainly be the reason that they sweeped Punjab this time around.
All in all, not a TSUNAMI at all. Any constructive response from PTI jiyalas (err nirralas ?) on why is that instead of throwing filth around at others? People like Silaaj are no better than Sachaydino.
I do have a very good idea about why Imran acts the way that he does but it would get personal. Only if the mods would allow free speech there.