That's great Sheraz :)
Splendid choice CT...Too bad you lost a lot of mod-Muslim support at GS, but you gained my respect...As for the mod-Muslims, I am sure they can console each other at the local bar...:)
nice post, interesting :).
I’m curious about this:
say you were a muslim and the owner of a halal restraunt which didn’t sell any alcohol. Would you be expected (as a muslim) to not allow any alcohol in to your restraunt also? i.e - you didn’t sell alcohol but non-muslims brought alcohol inside with them to drink with their meals.
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say you were a muslim and the owner of a halal restraunt which didn't sell any alcohol. Would you be expected (as a muslim) to not allow any alcohol in to your restraunt also? i.e - you didn't sell alcohol but non-muslims brought alcohol inside with them to drink with their meals.
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At one time, we were invited by a muslim family for dinner, and they had invited some of their other friends, including non-muslim neighbors. The non-muslim neighbors brought with them two bottles of beers which they were drinking. The muslim host politely requested them to leave the bottles outside the house as they don't allow any alcoholic beverages in their home. I think, those who feel strongly about such issues, make sure they stay as far away from haraam as possible, including stopping people from bringing their own drinks in their shops or homes.
thats a good thing....i have been told by my cousin who came back from USA that there, most of the muslims forget their values and the non-muslims locals respect our religion....he told me an incident where he was invited to his muslim friend's house for dinner and they had cooked pork and served wine coz some of their guests were non-muslims, and on the other hand, on a seperate occasion when he was invited to a local's house (non-mulsim), he brought halal meat for him, bought new cutlery for him etc etc, just to respect the religion....
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At one time, we were invited by a muslim family for dinner, and they had invited some of their other friends, including non-muslim neighbors. The non-muslim neighbors brought with them two bottles of beers which they were drinking. The muslim host politely requested them to leave the bottles outside the house as they don't allow any alcoholic beverages in their home. I think, those who feel strongly about such issues, make sure they stay as far away from haraam as possible, including stopping people from bringing their own drinks in their shops or homes.
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Sell the bloody alcohol .. there are many depending on you .. their lives depend on u. Save them. God will save u from heaven .. who wants to go there anyways ..
who can convince afghan farmers to grow opium which is worse than selling alcohol ?
an Ayotullah.
...or may be not. Those afghans know very little about Islam and outside world. I mean those who grow opium, majority doesn't.
mashallah :k:
may Allah reward you
thanks ums 
hmm…
i think it would be nice if there was a sign outside saying ‘no alcohol allowed inside this restaurant’…u know…
b/c in islam even being around haram, even if u r not indulging in it, is discouraged…
dont know the religious perspective on this… but these were just my two cents based on my gut feeling…
Isn't Shiraz an Iranian wine?
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Isn't Shiraz an Iranian wine?
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Shiraz is a city in Iran. I know its a name of a wine too but i dont think its iranian
and matsui alcohol is not allowed in our religion..its really that simple so whats the problem
Yaar, i am just asking. stop being an a-hole about it. haraam sharaam, i could care less.
yaar i know this haram sharam does not matter to you ..but it matters to some ppl right? not everyone will think like you right? harr jagga ungle kernay ki zaroorat hai kiya yaar?
According to Jean Chardin, a young French jeweller who spent most of his time in 17th century Persia, the wine of Shiraz was famous in Europe and many members of the European trading companies imported it under contract from governors with royal authorization. Shiraz had its own bottle-making industry and wine was transported in large jars in baskets over long distances.
Chardin gives a fairly full account of the wine trade in A Journey to Persia. “This wine which is so excellent and famous, is called Shiraz, and for the beauty of its colour and the delight of its taste is considered to be the best in Persia and throughout the East. It is not one of those strong wines which pleases the palate straight away.”
The Shiraz grape was probably the root of the Syrah grape often found in hot places like the Rhone Valley in France. The wine business was still in full swing in the 19th century when a British doctor with the telegraph company, C.J. Wills, wrote how his friend and neighbor in Shiraz , the Mullah Haji Ali Akbar, approached him with the proposition that they should make wine together in Dr Wills’ house.
“I cannot make wine in my house,” said the Mullah. “I am a Mohammedan priest. But if I ask the Jews to make it for me things will be even worse, because the wine will be dreadful, and I am a connoisseur. If I make it at your house, Sahib, it will be first class and I will kill two birds with one stone. You and I will have good wine and there will be no scandal about it.”
In the 1920s European archaeologists digging in the ruins outside Shiraz discovered immaculate drinking cups of gold shaped as fierce lions and winged ibex. Local wine production was encouraged under the Pahlavis. On the eve of the revolution there were plans to export Shiraz wine with French assistance. In 1979 many wine bottles were smashed by Islamic fanatics. A few Shirazis continued to make their own homemade wine despite the threat of being publicly flogged if caught by the vice police.
These days Shiraz wine is not Persian but rather a produce of Australian and South African vineyards. Still, many Iranian restaurants in London will insist that what the customer is drinking is the real thing. It is a myth that seems to bring a smile to many in exile.
Shiraz, in Iran.. is the first home of wine..