Ali r,
At least I am not a hypocrite unlike most so-called Muslims like yourselves and admit my wrong-doings.
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Originally posted by sholay:
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Mulla
You are now saying that Satans handiwork is Halaal!! Even though the Qur'aan says differently:
005.093 O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,- of Satan’s handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper.
Damn! We Muslims have been misled for over 1400 years by assuming Alcohol was unlawful and to protect ourselves from Iblis.
A couple more posts by you and all of Satans handiwork will be permissable by you!
Have you considered changing your name from Mulla to MUFTI!!
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That is just a warning about intoxication.
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Originally posted by Salman:
Ali r,
At least I am not a hypocrite unlike most so-called Muslims like yourselves and admit my wrong-doings.
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If you mean admiring, respecting and praising Hadrat Abu Bakr, then i'm even ready to call myself a hypocrite.
I dont wanna start a name-calling thread here. So we leave it like it is.
"And who are we to judge if we have GOD, ALLAH.(swt)"
"kaisay na karta usko main pyar, uski haseen main sukh thay hazaar, bichar gayay hum dukh ki hay baat"
what the hell does bakra have to do with anything? and furthermore, yes i do have Muslims teenagers, who purchase alcohol. (All of them Sunni, ofcourse) I don't where they get all the money ($500 per month for the services I provide), but hey they pay me, and they get drunk and laid. I've also had a few Shia friends from my mosque come in to buy beer, but ofcourse I will not corrupt my community so I turned them away, and told their parents and they got sent back to Pakistan for some big time ass whupping.
[This message has been edited by Salman (edited August 30, 2001).]
Salman
Damn, you are one hell of a role model for your community.
On one hand you are claiming to follow the Prophet PBUH and on the other hand you are disregarding Allahs and the Prophet PBUH word concerning alcohol!!
Well done.
Keep it up.
At least when you go to Hajj, you can say that the earnings were Halaal!!!!
Second thoughts, maybe not as the Halaal word is most probably a SWEAR word to you.
Come on, I await your intellectual response as usual.
No wonder you own a corner shop and fit the stereotype like a 'glove on hand'!!
You couldn't play football, because every time there was a corner, instead of kicking the ball, you'd open up a corner shop at the CORNER!!!!!!!
sholay:
I'm waiting for the quranic words: 'alcohol is haram period'.
Salman very sad the points that you stated!!!
Mulla
Can you please confirm your understanding of the following ayats:
006.145 Say: "I find not in the message received by me by inspiration any (meat) forbidden to be eaten by one who wishes to eat it, unless it be dead meat, or blood poured forth, or the flesh of swine,- for it is an abomination.....
006.120 Eschew all sin, open or secret: those who earn sin will get due recompense for their "earnings."
What does the word ABOMINATION mean to you in light of the Qur'aan?
In relation to alcohol, what word is used. ABOMINATION.
However, you believe that Allah has ordered us to keep in touch with Satans Handiwork and accept alcohol despite Iblis being Mnakinds greatest enemy!!
I'm afraid your on your own on this one. You and Satan can travel and work together all day long as far as I'm concerned.
Like I have stated before, the following ayat is self explanatory and no explanation is required as you do not accept Qur'aanic explanations:
005.093 O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,- of Satan’s handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper.
005.094 Satan’s plan is (but) to excite enmity and hatred between you, with intoxicants and gambling, and hinder you from the remembrance of Allah, and from prayer: will ye not then abstain?
005.095 Obey Allah, and obey the Apostle, and beware (of evil): if ye do turn back, know ye that it is Our Apostle’s duty to proclaim (the message) in the clearest manner.
In addition you are also stating that GAMBLING is not Haraam and is permissable, as it is mentioned in the same ayat!!
Please confirm your viewpoint.
You are utilising the gift of choice, however the Qur'aan has also mentioned ayats for the likes of you in clear terms:
003.007 He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.
047.024 Do they not then earnestly seek to understand the Qur’an, or are their hearts locked up by them?
047.025 Those who turn back as apostates after Guidance was clearly shown to them,- the Evil One has instigated them and busied them up with false hopes.
047.026 This, because they said to those who hate what Allah has revealed, "We will obey you in part of (this) matter"; but Allah knows their (inner) secrets.
Enough for now as you really are boring me with your Parrot mentality, despite seeing it in black and white you still refuse and ask again and again and again and again.
Similar to an alcoholic. No matter how many times you drink, you still want more, but will never admit that their is a problem!!
Keep studying!!
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Originally posted by sholay:
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Mulla
Can you please confirm your understanding of the following ayats:
006.145 Say: "I find not in the message received by me by inspiration any (meat) forbidden to be eaten by one who wishes to eat it, unless it be dead meat, or blood poured forth, or the flesh of swine,- for it is an abomination.....
006.120 Eschew all sin, open or secret: those who earn sin will get due recompense for their "earnings."
What does the word ABOMINATION mean to you in light of the Qur'aan?
In relation to alcohol, what word is used. ABOMINATION.
However, you believe that Allah has ordered us to keep in touch with Satans Handiwork and accept alcohol despite Iblis being Mnakinds greatest enemy!!
I'm afraid your on your own on this one. You and Satan can travel and work together all day long as far as I'm concerned.
Like I have stated before, the following ayat is self explanatory and no explanation is required as you do not accept Qur'aanic explanations:
005.093 O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,- of Satan’s handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper.
005.094 Satan’s plan is (but) to excite enmity and hatred between you, with intoxicants and gambling, and hinder you from the remembrance of Allah, and from prayer: will ye not then abstain?
005.095 Obey Allah, and obey the Apostle, and beware (of evil): if ye do turn back, know ye that it is Our Apostle’s duty to proclaim (the message) in the clearest manner.
In addition you are also stating that GAMBLING is not Haraam and is permissable, as it is mentioned in the same ayat!!
Please confirm your viewpoint.
You are utilising the gift of choice, however the Qur'aan has also mentioned ayats for the likes of you in clear terms:
003.007 He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.
047.024 Do they not then earnestly seek to understand the Qur’an, or are their hearts locked up by them?
047.025 Those who turn back as apostates after Guidance was clearly shown to them,- the Evil One has instigated them and busied them up with false hopes.
047.026 This, because they said to those who hate what Allah has revealed, "We will obey you in part of (this) matter"; but Allah knows their (inner) secrets.
Enough for now as you really are boring me with your Parrot mentality, despite seeing it in black and white you still refuse and ask again and again and again and again.
Similar to an alcoholic. No matter how many times you drink, you still want more, but will never admit that their is a problem!!
Keep studying!!
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All I see is dead meat, swine, blood, intoxicants but I don't see word 'alcohol'.
You should change your name to 'garam masalah' becuase you sure know how to use it.
SALMAN read your post (ZEIN). My answer on this is posted above.
Yeah and i do agree with the others that you are doing the right thing. Read my post on p 2. Drug is drug and dealer is dealer.
.....im outta here finito.
"kaisay na karta usko main pyar, uski haseen main sukh thay hazaar, bichar gayay hum dukh ki hay baat"
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Originally posted by sholay:
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Salman
Damn, you are one hell of a role model for your community.
On one hand you are claiming to follow the Prophet PBUH and on the other hand you are disregarding Allahs and the Prophet PBUH word concerning alcohol!!
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bro Sholay, leave him alone who knows the smell of wine may have effected his mind/intellect. he has told us now why he puts up such words/hate instead of coming up with something intelligent.
We oughta be Changez like, don't we?
First of all, I don't own that shop. I work there part time. And the money is great. Second of all, when did it become my responsibility, someone who you consider a child, to be a role model? If those Sunnis teenagers, want to get drunk and get laid by some white hoes, it's thier choice. I just provide the alcohol and they give me 500 big ones. It works out great. Shouldn't their parents and thier community be teaching them that alcohol is haraam? Trust me their community is declining morally, and it's thier responsibility. Not mine. My responsibility is to my Shia community and my family. If I see them desecrating, I will do whatever I can for them. But the Sunni community is none of my concern. And why should it be? Plenty of nice Sunni girls are coming over to our community because their men just want some white hoes. To me money is money, whether it's from a Jew, Hindu or a Sunni.
I know what you all will say. Haram, halal and we as Muslims should stick together in the western world. Truth is, the Sunnis don't give a damn about Shias, and Shias don't give a rat's ass about Sunnis.
Salman
With your knowledge, background and Faith.
No wonder you work there!!!
I agree with you sholay. This person is full of hate and divides his own muslim community. Well done!
"kaisay na karta usko main pyar, uski haseen main sukh thay hazaar, bichar gayay hum dukh ki hay baat"
I don't divide the so called Muslim community. The divide themselves. Money is money, whether from a Sunni, Jew or Hindu. It's not my responsibility to tell these Sunnis that alcohol is haraam. They should know that by now. How about this? I'll stop selling alcohol to these money bag Sunnis, when Saudi Arabia, actually condemns Israel, and openly aids the Palestinian cause. But ofcourse that will never happen, so I guess I'll keep making my $1200 a month. Not bad for someone who's an illegal immigrant and 17.
[This message has been edited by Salman (edited August 31, 2001).]
Salman
You are absolutely right.
Not bad for an illegal immigrant earning 1200 dollars per month. Better than 1200 rupees per month!!!
If you were back home, that would be 1 years wages, thus you are absolutely fascinated with such an achievement.
As far as age is concerned, your intellect and knowledge summed up the 17 year mark. Never mind, plenty of time!!!
When I was your age, I was studying for my degree.
However, now I don't even get out of bed for that type of money even on a daily rate!!
So you see the moral of the story is that children should complete their education and have Faith in Allah because He ordains your Provision when your time comes.
You will never be let down!!!
Now you assume, I'm just working and not getting an education. Newsflash, idiot, I am not a Sunni. Only Sunnis here work 70 hours a week, so they can afford Jaguars and Benzes. The Shias here get an education, and I only work 15 hours a week. School and work. And what's so wrong with selling alcohol? I'm making cash non-taxable money, (so the money doesn't go to any Jews or Wahabis), the money is going in my pocket. Answer me one question, don't you think it's haraam that those beloved Arab Sunni states of yours practically give free oil to the USA, which in turn gives money/arms to Israel to murder innocent Palestinians, Lebanese and Iraqis? I mean Im not responsible for the deaths of innocent of people, your Sunni states are. I'm selling alcohol, making my money, going to school, I already have recieved one scholarship for Virginia Tech, and one for Georgia Tech, and working for one for Florida Tech, so I'm doing great with this money, while your Sunni countries just let innocent Palestinians die.
[This message has been edited by Salman (edited September 01, 2001).]
only if you knew that Allah SWT orders:
“amr bil-marouf wa-nahi anil-munkar”
then we wouldn’t see such attitude
http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/mad2.gif
We oughta be Changez like, don’t we?
Yea, and I think Allah also ordered us to help our brothers in need and not support thier enemies.
yes
http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/ok.gif
you are absolutely right, but those who do not help their brothers in need are responsible for their deeds, but for you, you shouldn’t reverse gears if others are not doing what they should be doing.
We oughta be Changez like, don’t we?