Seeds of Iblis or Jinn - Sons of God

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Sura 18

Can Iblis and Jinns have seed / progeny / offspring while waiting for their appointment on the day of resurrection.

i) Someone need to add a comment - seed/progeny/offspring means followers.

ii) The followers are appointed on the day Iblis/Jinn was appointed or are they new followers

ii) Those disbelievers who die,

  do they immediately go to Hell or 

  wait till the day of resurrection and then cast into Hell or

  roam about helping Iblis as his seed or followers

Concl: If by chance Iblis/Jinn can have sons/daughters cannot God have one without a Consort.

Sura 19

Verses are a set of Jumbled sentences. Already dealt by the website Yahoo ist Teil der Yahoo-Markenfamilie. addressing one of the Suras less than or equal to 6.

If Mary could have a baby without through a man, God can have one without through a woman for if God says Be, it come to be the being.

Note

Counting 10 was not a challenge by any Muslim or by Quran itself

Exaggeration - Muhammad being surrounded by Gabriel from all sides while Muhammad was attempting escape

Inconceivable that a woman was involved that Khadijah can be considered the inventor of Islam.

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Jab,

Can you please explain your questions a bit furhter. I think you are criticizing Quran.. and in order to make a good case for yourself, i would appreciate it if you provide us with some references and try to keep your questions to the point.

Do you want to implicate that God can have children? or do you want to say something about the legitimacy of mulsim belief on Mary (as).??

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Whats you question ? Jab

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:confused: :confused:

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Your Answer

Surat Iklaus or Al Tauhid (Para 30, Quran Pak)

in the name of Allah the most Gracious the most merciful

Say o Mohammad : He is Allah ( the ) One "

The Self Sufficient Master

Whom all creatures need ( He neither eats , nor drinks)

"He begets not, nor he is begotten"

"And there is no one co-equal or comparable unto Him"

Meanings of difficult words can be checked from this web site: www.dictionary.com

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6:100. Yet they ascribe as partners unto Him the jinn, although He did create them, and impute falsely, without knowledge, sons and daughters unto Him. Glorified be He and High Exalted above (all) that they ascribe (unto Him).

Glory be to Him! When He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is.

6:101. The Originator of the heavens and the earth! How can He have a child, when there is for Him no consort, when He created all things and is Aware of all things?

Glory be to Him! When He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is.

19:20. She said: How can I have a son when no mortal hath touched me, neither have I been unchaste?

19:21. He said: So (it will be). Thy Lord saith: It is easy for Me.

Glory be to Him! When He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is.

19:35. It befitteth not (the Majesty of) Allah that He should take unto Himself a son.

Glory be to Him! When He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is.

19:91. That ye ascribe unto the Beneficent a son,

Glory be to Him! When He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is.

19:92. When it is not meet for (the Majesty of) the Beneficent that He should choose a son.

Glory be to Him! When He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is.

112: 3. He begetteth not nor was begotten.

Glory be to Him! When He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is.

That is how the Son of God – the Word as mentioned in John 1:14 – Jesus came to be

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by jab: *
....
That is how the Son of God – the Word as mentioned in John 1:14 – Jesus came to be
[/QUOTE]

so, was Adam AH also son of God? Eve daughter of God?

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^
sheesh, and on the same parallel do we take the very first creatures from all species of all the animals and plants to be the progeny of God since they were not born out of parents but created by Allah sayib "Be" and they were????

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Re: Seeds of Iblis or Jinn - Sons of God

Seed/progeny/offspring are not necessarily followers and followers are not necessarily seed/progeny/offspring. As was the case with Hazrat Nuh :as:

As for those who die in disbelief they shall taste the torment of the grave which is a terrible torment.

Khadija :ra: could not have contributed very much to Islam as she died so early in the Holy Prophet :saw:'s Prophethood.

P.S. It is good to know you are studying the Quran and Islam with such depth. May Allah :swt: guide you to the path in your quest for knowledge and bring you face to face with Truth. Ameen.

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Glory be to Him! When He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is.
Glory be to Him! When He decreeth a Jinn, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is.
Glory be to Him! When He decreeth the angel, Gabriel, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is.

Glory be to Him! When He decreeth an angel, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is.
Glory be to Him! When He decreeth a son for Him, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is.
Glory be to Him! When He decreeth Jesus, as a son for Him, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is.
Glory be to Him! When He decreeth Jesus, as a son for Him, in earth, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is.

This is how Jinns came to be and called to be
This is how Angels came to be and called to be
This is how Son of God, before the creation of earth came to be and called to be
This is how Son of God , that is the Son of Marry came to be and called to be

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Iblis is not a mankind. He cannot have consort. Does he have a Son/Daughter.

Iblis is a Jinn. Are there more than one Jinn. How did Jinn multiply. Do Jinns have their own Consort(s)

Gabriel is an Angel Jinn. Are there more than one Angel. How did Anfels multiply. Do Angels have their own Consort(s)

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Jab,

you quoted this in support of your argument

[QUOTE]
6:100. Yet they ascribe as partners unto Him the jinn, although He did create them, and impute falsely, without knowledge, sons and daughters unto Him. Glorified be He and High Exalted above (all) that they ascribe (unto Him).
[/QUOTE]

Jinn also means someone strong (as in kings) and also something hidden from the eye.
Here the reference is clearly towards
1. Great people who died in the past. Examples are Arabs who worshipped laat, manat and Uzza etc

  1. the kings like pharoah who claimed diety.

  2. Other pagans and poythiestic relgions who claim that certain characters are sons/daughters of God. Hindu and Greek mythology is perfect example of this.

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^^ D I T T O says ahmadarsalan

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by Destino: *
Jab,

Jinn also means someone strong (as in kings) and also something hidden from the eye.
Here the reference is clearly towards
1. Great people who died in the past. Examples are Arabs who worshipped laat, manat and Uzza etc

  1. the kings like pharoah who claimed diety.

  2. Other pagans and poythiestic relgions who claim that certain characters are sons/daughters of God. Hindu and Greek mythology is perfect example of this.
    [/QUOTE]

So Hindu RAMA/KRISHNA , ALL Pharoahs are Jinns. Iblis is a Jinn. When Iblis was condemned, those who followed Iblis at the time Iblis refused to bow down before Adam were Jinns. Some Jinns who refused to accompany Iblis but wanted to stay with God, they were also Jinns.

Solomon, the prophet, leads the team of Jinn. Solomon the prophet is the son of David. Jesus is the son of David. Jesus is the follower of his forefather. So Jesus is also Jinn.

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Most of the above have nothing to do with being jinns..
As i stated earlier, Jinn can be any of the above. (in my post)

and Jinn i.e., Demons, are just fairy tales.. they do not exist..

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Jab

You really are going round in circles!

The more you post, the more you become confused.

Just for the record, Jinn are made out of smokeless fire and mankind is made out of clay. Both have the gift of choice. Believe or Disbelieve and both can have consorts. An insight into the Qur'aan will give you all the answers you are looking for. Just be willing to accept.

There is no problem for God to create Jesus without a biological father, similar to Adam without either and Eve without a biological mother. So from your angle we've got an elder brother and sister in line to the throne, and if you really need to get 'nitty gritty', David also is in line as the bible quite clearly states that David will be God's son and God will be his father. Literally! Do you want the verse?

Therefore Jesus becomes God's fourth child.

Now what u say!

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“Great people” … “Arabs who worshipped laat, manat and uzza” … hmmm, since when did they become “Great”? :konfused:

what is the “reference” year/era for considering “great people died in past”?