Secular Pakistan: ‘Pakistanis should know Quaid’s Aug 11 speech by heart’

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Re: Secular Pakistan: ‘Pakistanis should know Quaid’s Aug 11 speech by heart’

@Captain1

yes, Zia, Zia, Zia… he did everything bad for the country. What about later military commanders? What about Musharraf? What later on? Nothing has changed, Zia was just a show piece.

Not sure what your point is. Someone had to start the mess we’re in today. Later military commanders wanted political power, Zia followed the recently adopted religious rules with a vigor.

@The_Jinx

Before the 11 years of Zia, Pakistan was corruption-less. Everyone was happy. Education level was reaching 100%. Pakistan was a developed country. Major cities had Mass Transit system. There was no lower middle or lower class. The feaudals were giving equal rights to their slav .. er .. employees.

Same is true for post Zia era after 25 years of his time. (Sarcasm specially intended)

@diwana

Now it is very obvious from the history of Pakistan that religious people never actually ruled the country.

If one removes army rule, it is easily seen that even in so called elected Govt. years of Pakistan, none of the religious parties ever had their PM or President selected/elected.

People who attended schools outside Pakistan or had green card are included in the rulers of Pakistan by the way. None of them religious.

@diwana

Why it does not matter that rulers were religious or not when all the criticism is based on Zia being ‘religious’?
Please explain the reason for this hypocritical views.

Interestingly, I have already answered all these points but you came again with same criticism.

I already mentioned Zia was not the only ruler. He came in 1970’s and gone in 80’s.

Pakistan existed before and after him with rulers who were secular and brought misery to Pakistan. Just as Zia used religion for his goal to fool the masses with wrong decisions, Bhutto family and many others irreligious did the same.

The country was divided BEFORE Zia.

He was not an elected ruler anyway so we have to move on beyond him.

Very interesting that all of the problems of Pakistan for ‘secularists’ boil down to minority issues/human rights, Ahmadis, blasphemy laws etc.
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It looks like secularists and many critics of Pakistan have very myopic views of Pakistani problems. **

They somehow want minority issue resolved and all other issues which relates to Pakistan at large they conveniently forget.

Almost every other thread in PA relates to minority issues, just like desi movies cannot be made without a love story, dances and songs.
Its getting very boring to read all the time, my friend.

Actually, this whole mess started with Bhutto. He included religious persecution in the constitution, which is possibly one of the most harmful political moves in Pakistan’s history. Zia simply cemented the ground work laid down by Bhutto. What many people fail to realize is that Bhutto legitimized the religious fanatics by including their unreasonable demands in the constitution. When the government “officially” sanctions religious discrimination, it doesn’t take long for the crazies to come out of the wood works. To spell it out clearly for you, if the religious extremists don’t exist, then there is likely no Blasphemy Law, and religious minorities probably aren’t prosecuted. If you don’t believe me, read a book. My grandfather personally experienced this. He was fairly political, and often spoke against the persecution of religious minorities, and received many death threats for doing so.

The fact that you don’t care for minorities is astounding. If you legitimize violence, the government will not be stable. If the government is not stable, the economy will suffer. Econ 101. That’s one of the reasons foreigners are hesitant to invest in Pakistan.