Shot on spot whoa? thats a bit extreme. Although the frustration rises when government turns a deaf ear to civilian. Its not how things should be when individuals are handing out justice but to me its all about cause and effect. If the law makers fail to implement that law than what do you expect?
There are many things that happen in Pakistan that the govt cant control... Even in developed countries there are things that go on under the nose of the authorities, but no matter what, no one will ever tolerate mob justice.
That is what i said , didn't i? No one wants to tolerate a brothel in neighbourhood either. While i dont thinking shooting the owner is way to go i dont see what else those people could've done.
That is what i said , didn't i? No one wants to tolerate a brothel in neighbourhood either. While i dont thinking shooting the owner is way to go i dont see what else those people could've done.
Protest outside her home, and if they HAVE to kidnapp her, then turn her into the police...
Did these people even TRY to get the police involved? As far as I know they just barged into the womans home and kidnapped her, and baby...
These people can influence the police to take action, take the example of the two raped girls from Jhelum, whos attackers have been arrested.
In the end, it would have been better if they hadnt done anything at all. If anyone else had done this, I would have eventually accepted this, but considering these are religous fanatics, people who have absolutely no scruples, people have been proven time and again to be nothing but rabid animals, whom if you feed once will come back for more each time, its a very dangerous precedance.
I dont know what sort of people (madrassa ones)these are and i am not assuming the worst about them because they didnt tackle the situation in the lawful manner.
I do how ever know that our influencial people also meet the criteria that you are outlining for religious fanatics. I feel no anger towards the out rageous way it was done.
Secondly wasn't there something in the confession of shamim to the effect that police would tip them of before any raid of any sort. Doesn't it bother you that the neighbours of this woman made several complaints yet nothing was done. Frustration causes mayhem. Its human nature and i find it very hard to judge those people who apparently werent off the mark.
Perhaps, you did not read this in the news article:
Aunty Shamim was said to be so highly connected that she was never touched by any law-enforcement agency despite several complaints lodged by the neighbours and others
Initially i was opposed to the action of Jamia Hafsa people, i opened a thread on religious ite condemning their action but now as more news emerge about the EVIL nature of this women aunty Shamim, i feel they did a very good job. this women deserves to be stoned to death for lurig young women into this evil. shame on these MNAs and MPAs who have been her clients.
Initially i was opposed to the action of Jamia Hafsa people, i opened a thread on religious ite condemning their action but now as more news emerge about the EVIL nature of this women aunty Shamim, i feel they did a very good job. this women deserves to be stoned to death for lurig young women into this evil. shame on these MNAs and MPAs who have been her clients.
Further to above, i may add, if the name of these MNAs and MPAs is published.. so atleast we can get rid of few and others will be cautious
The horrendous nature of this woman's crime is evident by this:
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Dozens of women were involved in this trade, she said, adding that most of them were educated and had told their families that they were employed in some private organisations. “The women spent five hours in the brothel during the ‘office timings’ and left an hour before the office hours,” she revealed.
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I wonder where are the protectors of women's rights now, don't have balls even to condemn her. All were shouting that aunty shamim is innocent. I wonder is anyone truly beleived in her innocence. If it looks like a brothel, smells like a brothel, then it is a brothel.
^forget about that icono i am sure being politically correct is far more important when using words like secular than looking or examining the nature of news.
SO were the two men in Jhelum who raped the two girls that are now hiding in the Lal Masjid… These people could have easily forced the police to take action…
The police would have opened an investigation at least… When you have thousands of stick wielding ninjas at your disposal, connectiveness is a small irritant.. These people are taking on the govt for god sakes, and I doubt any group is more connected then the govt :rolleyes:
I dont know what sort of people (madrassa ones)these are and i am not assuming the worst about them because they didnt tackle the situation in the lawful manner.
I do how ever know that our influencial people also meet the criteria that you are outlining for religious fanatics. I feel no anger towards the out rageous way it was done.
Secondly wasn't there something in the confession of shamim to the effect that police would tip them of before any raid of any sort. Doesn't it bother you that the neighbours of this woman made several complaints yet nothing was done. Frustration causes mayhem. Its human nature and i find it very hard to judge those people who apparently werent off the mark.
Frustration may inspire mayhem, but that still doesnt mean we can break down as a society... There is injustice acoss the world, injustice is commited across Pakistan ev ery day, but dont you see the danger in relying on mob justice?
You people seem to be obsessed over Aunty Shamim, but shes not even the point here.
Barring the fact that no matter how you look at it, guilty or not, this women was accused without real evidence. This means that anyone, including you, your mother, sister, father, brother could be accused of doing something that someone else find suspicious.. Its a witch hunt!
On top of this, you know aswell as I do, that these people arent exclusively opposed to brothels, but even mundane things such as music and cd shops. In Punjab University these same type of people beat up a husband and wife on campus!
You dont seem to understand the inherant danger in allowing such people to take justice in their own hands...
You might support them today because they did something against somthing you consider a major vice in society, but where will they stop?
Remember even the Taliban were intially welcomed for bringing peace, until they showed their true face.
The horrendous nature of this woman's crime is evident by this:
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I wonder where are the protectors of women's rights now, don't have balls even to condemn her. All were shouting that aunty shamim is innocent. I wonder is anyone truly beleived in her innocence. If it looks like a brothel, smells like a brothel, then it is a brothel.
Your obsessed with this woman...
Get a clue dude, you might codle these Madrassa vipers today, but when they confront you tommorow for doing somthing they consider unIslamic, then we will see how much you support them.
Im afraid your reading the article incorrectly. In no way does the article say that Shamim did confess, they remain allegations, albeit arguably more corroborated ones.
While the molvies who abducted a woman and held her hostage till she "changed her views" and "promissed to serve Islam" in a press conference are idiots, the police who took money for her and did not act on complaints are criminal too.
Vigilante "sharia court" justice is never acceptable, and everyone, no matter how notorious they are, deserves a fair trial by the state, with due process. If everyone is allowed to enforce the law as they see fit then your validating Karo-Kari and other jirga based judgements (give him your daughter for killing his goat etc).
The answer is working within the system as it currently works and working to change the system meanwhile. There could have been various legal ways of shutting down auntie shamim's business. Snap a few pictures of MPs going in and out of the place and see how long she would've lasted. Prosititution usually mandates anonymity in Pakistan. Protest outside the house as much as you want.
The women shamim trapped are still most likely trapped women. Brothels continue to exist in Islamabad. The police are still under the pay of various aholes. The business she was running is still probably going to be running wherever she is now. If they merely wanted her to leave the area they could've done it much more easily, but they needed to create a spectacle, and demonstrate their authority/dadageeri, the same way other groups have done in the past, such as MQM. Thats why people are opposed to them.
The women shamim trapped are still most likely trapped women. Brothels continue to exist in Islamabad. The police are still under the pay of various aholes. The business she was running is still probably going to be running wherever she is now. If they merely wanted her to leave the area they could've done it much more easily, but they needed to create a spectacle, and demonstrate their authority/dadageeri
Well, everyone knows there are brothels everywhere in Pakistan, no one can kick them off because they have the support from Law Enforcement Agencies unlawfully, the law doesn't support them, but the people of law do. Brothels have their confines in particular areas, if they arise in residential areas then no doubt majority of this country is not Secular, seculars are only a minute minority who are feeding upon the white A.S.S.E.S with no self respect, prestige and honour, all they love is from the West, all they hate is from the Truth, so whenever criminals are thrown away by people who use the banner of Islam, seculars get a heart attack, feeling insecure as one day their turn will come and they might also be kicked out for their conspiracies against the Muslim world.
If this is true, the Islamists were vindicated. She shouuld have been shot on spot; yes, yes, it's not nice to take the law into your own hands but that only applies when the law is actually enforced.
I have been confronted many times by these people, once i was even asked to leave a wedding ceremony bcoz i was wearing trouser.
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In this case they were right, even this article from one of the central left newspaper The News, might not have been written, had it not been the action of these girls.
They have highlighted a dark business that trapped women from ordinary households into prostitution. For me there isn’t any crime bigger than this. It cud not have been stopped by police who were already approached when hundreds of MNAs themselves were customers. When stopping this whore from releasing the names of customers is being discussed in cabinet of Islamic Republic of Pakistan. May Allah’s curse be upon these people.
Majority of Pakistanis prefer burka over brothels.
While some moderately enlightened prefer brothels over burkas.
All the seculars can go rot somewhere. Its a blessing that such vigilantes (although undesirable - since law must never be taken into hands) exist. I wonder where would PAKASTAN be if some God-fearing and people with a conscience are not there.
How can people and media even say such things against such things in a country where there is hardly any rule of law. Why do people get so surprised
when such things happen? ARe they not aware of the law of the jungle called PAKASTAN? Ofcourse they are not!
And now for the shariah bashers>>>! How do you people even have the audacity to malign or speak against (being Muslims) the shariah of Muhammad :saw:
It really is mind boggling! Or do such people only have names that are Muslim!
While some fanatically inclined idiots prefer suicide bombers over Gods creation.
Western and Pakistani media .... brain washed you well! Who would ever support such a thing as suicide bombings? If a very small group (.001% of 100) starts making suicide bombings lawful, you can't go on a rampage against the religious class of 1.5 billion!