I have a solution. Instead of killing innocent sunni and shias while they walk down a street, or pray in mosques, we should gather up these fanatical elements on BOTH sides, give them guns, and tell them to go to a deserted place and kill each other. I think Pakistan will a be a lot better off with these idiots out of the picture.
Also the maulvis that incite hatred. put them in the cross fire,
why are u so angry with maulavis? wasnt pakistan created so that maulavis can preach hatred without problem. now that people of other religion are non-existent, poor mullas have to go against another sect.
Nomaan...how does your comment differentiate you from any of the extremist elements?
First of all is the misconception that all this killing of shias and sunnis is done in the name of Islam. Well its not. Islam has nothing to do with it. Its all based on politics. Anyone who takes part in bloodshed for any reason other than the pleasure of Allah SWT is not committing an Islamic act. So we have to differentiate between the two, and make sure that when we target something with our comments, are are aiming at the right place.
ZZ....nice twist. Hate to bring politics into the religion forum, so we can have this discussion in the appropriate forum if you like.
ZZ do not start that here. The killing has notting to do with religion. Its all politics and power Or hummm it could be RAW.
my comments were aimed at the ppl doing the killing and the maulvis brainwashing and inciting them.
i think the aim is dead on.. isn't it ??
and ZZ.. grow up already. every thing doesn't concern india and the partition..
So, everyone here thinks that when one person kills another person, on a sectarian basis, that he is not doing it out of a sense of religion? What is it then that makes astutely religious men turn on other members of the human race?
Akif mentioned killing for the "pleasure of Allah". Look, if someone you trusted in the Islamic community, who you looked up to, said to you that person X needs to die in the name of Islam, would you at least consider it? If you considered yourself at war with a different group, over ideals that you thought were important, I could see now rationalizing killing in terms of religion could become a problem.
Anyways, back to the original topic - I'm curious - what is Pakistan's official stance on these killings (I'm sure it condemns them outright), and what is the reality of the enforcement against such killers?
Most of the time such murders are either doctored by someone who wishes to incite hatred between different groups. And at others, its based on pure politics. But a true muslim would never go out and kill someone just because they dont agree with their faith. Islam does not dictate that.
Akif mentioned killing for the "pleasure of Allah". Look, if someone you trusted in the Islamic community, who you looked up to, said to you that person X needs to die in the name of Islam, would you at least consider it?
Yes, i would consider it, but the final decision would be mine, and whatever i do end up doing, the responsibility for it will be mine as well. If i killed someone in vain, I will be answerable for it, not some brand name maulvi who mentioned it to me.
Its upto me to make sure that the cause that I am about to fight for is dealing with Islam, and is not based on sectarian or religious or racial differences.
Pakistan's official and realistic stance regarding sectarian killings is the same as it is for any other murder. Sectarian killings, if they indeed are that, are not a part of Islam. However, it remains to be seen whether or not these killings are indeed sectarianism or cross border terrorism.
Lets not drag this into politics though. Sorry, im guilty of that.
[This message has been edited by Akif (edited February 06, 2001).]
Salaam,
I have seen both sides. SHIA and SUNNI.
And i can assure every1 that there is some 3rd party involved in this whole issue of "sectarian killings"etc
A muslim, a reciter of kalma of allah and his nabbi(sww) could never kill people sitting in the mosque.
They could never ever do it. Last year the paper read that there is some killings in mosuq during moharram in fajar prayer and the QURANS sitting in shelves were all torn apart from BULLETS.
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The best solution is to have shia/sunni leaders interacting more and staying united.
salaam
ramesha
that would be the ideal solution..
how come intra-muslim conflict occurs in south asia only? i think lot of these groups are manipulated by outsiders.
Well, one way to improve communication is to have the children grow up together.
In India, much of the population as loyal to it's state (punjab, gujurat,etc.) as to the whole country. However, Indian children growing up in the West do not give as much importance to those distinctions. I'm sure Pakistanis have a similar thing going on.
So the question is - is it possible that sunni and shia Muslims can pray together, as opposed to having separate masjids for each sect? That way, the next generation of kids won't feel the need to delineate based on sect.
i wanted this thread to remain neutral. wishful thinking on my part.. sorry
nomaan… at least you tried.
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