Is it me or is it becoming too common in North America? I am referring to Middle-aged Married Muslim Men, doing a secret Nikah within North America. Secret not just from the whole society but also from the first wife of course.
Forget about legal or ethical, I am not even sure if it can be done Islamically.
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It seems to be happening more over here as well..
More than the men, I wonder what is wrong with the women who get into this secret deal. Legally they can't claim any right over that guy. What if they become pregnant? What will they tell the society that who is the father?
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Desperate women perhaps :/
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Maybe those women don't know he's already married?
Usually these guys are no Salman Khan. Most of them in fact look more like Amresh Puri. So it's definitely not the physical attraction. I guess it women get some kind of sense of security in marriage, so if nothing works, they feel ok to go this route.
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how about keeping it secret from the government because it's illegal to marry another woman when you are already married to your wife? a lot of men might benefit from your reply, TLK! :)
the cases I know about, second woman knew about the first wife in all the cases.
If I am doing a secret nikah without any paperwork; even if I don’t tell my new wife, it’s pretty obvious that I am probably already married.
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is the secret nikah valid in religion?
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Qayamat ki nishani...toward the end times..there will be 50 women to one man.
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is the secret nikah valid in religion?
if there are witnesses then it's valid...more than 2...usually 3. walima is a sunnat to make the community know about the conjugation he/she lives so there is NO secrecy behind the union.
So in the city we live in North America, a rich desi Muslim businessman has four wives, all living in this city, and all know about each other. Of course only one is legal, but because there are no laws against fornication in these countries, govt can’t come after the guy. Point is, legal aspect can’t be used as an excuse fir keeping a marriag secret.
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the cases I know about, second woman knew about the first wife in all the cases.
If I am doing a secret nikah without any paperwork; even if I don't tell my new wife, it's pretty obvious that I am probably already married.
Some women really aren't too bothered if it's 'just' an Islamic marriage rather than civil as well.. I'd have been suspicious of any guy who's reluctant to have a civil marriage but I know of quite a few who think there's no need..
A lot of the larger mosques in the UK now won't do a nikkah without a civil certificate because this sort of thing keeps happening and there's v.little protection for the wives involved..
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So in the city we live in North America, a rich desi Muslim businessman has four wives, all living in this city, and all know about each other. Of course only one is legal, but because there are no laws against fornication in these countries, govt can't come after the guy. Point is, legal aspect can't be used as an excuse fir keeping a marriag secret.
yes, i believe that a Muslim MUST have the respect for the 'law of the land' because he/she chose to live and raise the family there. i consider hiding from the government a crime in the sight of law and a cheating in the sight of religion. cheating is NOT condoned in Islam or any other religion. however, the act of secretly marrying itself may NOT be a sin but cheating definitely IS! :)
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is the secret nikah valid in religion?
Keeping it secret isn't allowed but they just get round it by saying 'we'll announce it later'...
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Keeping it secret isn't allowed but they just get round it by saying 'we'll announce it later'...
yeah, they find loopholes like they do in the worldly affairs...they try to cheat God in vein, nauuzobillah. they don't see anything wrong in arranged/manipulated way of doing Halaalah. they cheat NOT God but themselves.
however, i see a reason behind it which of course does NOT justify their act...it happens because the society does NOT seem to approve a second marriage and does NOT look favourably, though it's allowed in Islam.
Yes I also read that in Hanafi, it's makrooh , and in shafaee, it haram. Definition of secret for those two sects is the one where first wife is not aware of it happening. That does not mean permission from the first wife, it only means that she should know.
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Qayamat ki nishani...toward the end times..there will be 50 women to one man.
I am pretty sure the reason is not that there is more women than men, seems to me that it's just to fulfill their own lust in a way that makes them feel less guilty.
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Some women really aren't too bothered if it's 'just' an Islamic marriage rather than civil as well.. I'd have been suspicious of any guy who's reluctant to have a civil marriage but I know of quite a few who think there's no need..
A lot of the larger mosques in the UK now won't do a nikkah without a civil certificate because this sort of thing keeps happening and there's v.little protection for the wives involved..
We got married Spur of the moment by a well known Imam, years later we find out that he was not licensed and our marriage is not registered, I am not sure if we should bother, what are the property implications if I die, I have several rental properties, I have named her the beneficiary on everything.
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I am pretty sure the reason is not that there is more women than men, seems to me that it's just to fulfill their own lust in a way that makes them feel less guilty.
This! It is more like they fall in love and feel they must get married to validate their relationship.