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but what is the ultimate purpose of these documentaries??
expose the terrorists and their friends.
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expose the terrorists and their friends.
To hide their own incompetencies.
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you may be right up to some extent, but availability or unavailability of footage is different from an agency like bbc producing fake people with costume is another thing it has never happened , any way I.S.I. has done many dubious operations ,even they have allegedly killed journlists , so the credibility of bbc is better than i.s.i.
Name one secret agency in the world that does not carry out dubious operations. The number one in those agencies carrying out dubious operations is CIA, whose masters are trying to lecture ISI. ISI first responsibility is to protect Pak not uncle sam.
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Name one secret agency in the world that does not carry out dubious operations. The number one in those agencies carrying out dubious operations is CIA, whose masters are trying to lecture ISI. ISI first responsibility is to protect Pak not uncle sam./QUOTE]
The ISI has shown no intention of protecting Pakistan. It is the organisation which some would argue that has destroyed Pakistan the most. What has ISI done for Pakistan? It may have done things for that elite clique of Generals and senior ISI officers to preserve their power but for the average Pakistani it has just created a mess.
The actions of the ISI have resulted in the deaths of thousands of not only Afghans, Indians but Pakistanis too - theri OWN PEOPLE!. Very few Pakistanis want to see a Pakistan under the thumb of India but the last thing we would want to see is a a few individuals put their idea of national interest onto the rest.
We spend hours and hours criticising Zardari, Altaf Hussain, Nawaz Sharif who deserve all the criticism yet we cant stomach any criticism of the ISI and the Army - which are probably the biggest obstacle to progress in Pakistan.
The ISI and the Army have both failed Pakistan and its people. At this moment in time they are putting the final nail in the coffin.
If they feel India is gaining too much influence in Afghanistan they should raise the issue with the US, Nato and whoever else it concerns. If they cannot get their point heard the least they can do is block the supply routes that NATO uses. Pakistan could pull out of the War on terror. They could shoot down drones that fly over, if capable.
The sad thing is the military top brass and intelligence elite act all proud and angry when they are accused of wrong doing and talk about their national reputation yet these same people have discarded the national reputation for a few dollars and totally forget about innocent people killed by drone attacks in FATA.
If their job is to defend Pakistan have nt they failed? If their job is to defend Pakistan why are these people selling it?
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Why are people so upset by the criticism of 2 organisations which are as corrupt and inefficient as our democratically elected leaders? Why dont people defend Zardari our elected President or Gilani our PM this way?
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The mission in afghanistan is a failure so the american government would like to blame somebody except themselves and guess who they will blame?
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would you believe even then that B.B.C. news channels will organise six act play just to defame pakistani I.S.I. ? or any news channel will organise bombing or fake terror actors to blame some country .
Do you believe people with high technology, buckets full of dollars for others don't have enough 'planning' ability to stage a drama? to hire few actors? to hire few assassins? to hire few terrorists?
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Do you believe people with high technology, buckets full of dollars for others don't have enough 'planning' ability to stage a drama? to hire few actors? to hire few assassins? to hire few terrorists?
bbc is a news agency only running on commercial basis , not a spy agency run by any rougue state, many times they have to shut their programmes in other languages just because of losses or lack of budget , mark tully was just sacked because he asked for hire pay , company said they are going in to losses , how can you claim they have bucket full of dollars ? forget about hiring assasins and terrorists, .never in the history of bbc they have been accused of any such sort of clandestine and covert activities, in fact people world over relied more on bbc than official news agencies of their own countries.
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Name one secret agency in the world that does not carry out dubious operations. The number one in those agencies carrying out dubious operations is CIA, whose masters are trying to lecture ISI. ISI first responsibility is to protect Pak not uncle sam.
so you accept i.s.i. has betrayed the the americans and helped the taliban with arms ammunition and double crossing with information.?** in this manner they are protecting pakistan?**
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bbc is a news agency only running on commercial basis , not a spy agency run by any rougue state, many times they have to shut their programmes in other languages just because of losses or lack of budget , mark tully was just sacked because he asked for hire pay , company said they are going in to losses , how can you claim they have bucket full of dollars ? forget about hiring assasins and terrorists, .never in the history of bbc they have been accused of any such sort of clandestine and covert activities, in fact people world over relied more on bbc than official news agencies of their own countries.
err, never mind.... I was referring to the main party pulling the strings, not the party who is 'watching'.
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so you accept i.s.i. has betrayed the the americans and helped the taliban with arms ammunition and double crossing with information.?** in this manner they are protecting pakistan?**
nope they are not netray9ing Americans, there first and foremost responsibility is to protect Pakistan not US. When did they sign up to protect America that you are now claiming that they have betrayed America. care to enlighten me.
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nope they are not netray9ing Americans, there first and foremost responsibility is to protect Pakistan not US. When did they sign up to protect America that you are now claiming that they have betrayed America. care to enlighten me.
did I.S.I. provide taliban with weapon and secrets in current war on terror ? simply yes or no?
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err, never mind....** I was referring to the main party pulling the strings,** not the party who is 'watching'.
bbbc crews are not a run of the mill local news agency who can not distinguish what is being served is real or fake, they are investigative enough to understand who is the main *party pulling the strings *, they can not be duped to believe what is being unfolded before them is real or drama .come whatever amount of money be put into drama bbc is not in the fake drama news business , they have high credibility and very less bias . no body can make a fool of them .
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^ don't worry about "BBC" investigative or not, you will get to know things may be 10 or 20 years later down the road.
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ISI's primary directive has ofcourse to be Pakistani interests. nobody can doubt that and it should not be news to anybody.
Problem is parts of ISI are in cahoots with the terrorists while the other parts are working with theUSA to destry the same terrorists. This is certainly not working in the interest of Pakistan - it has prolonged the fight, it has brought death inside Pakistan and inside Afghanistan. plus the Americans have found the money they pay is working against their own troops.
Shouldn't we all, especially caring Pakistanis be concerned with this as a double game that is only enriching a part of their military but at steep costs to the country and the world in terms of resources and lives?
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ISI's primary directive has ofcourse to be Pakistani interests. nobody can doubt that and it should not be news to anybody.
Problem is parts of ISI are in cahoots with the terrorists while the other parts are working with theUSA to destry the same terrorists. This is certainly not working in the interest of Pakistan - it has prolonged the fight, it has brought death inside Pakistan and inside Afghanistan. plus the Americans have found the money they pay is working against their own troops.
Shouldn't we all, especially caring Pakistanis be concerned with this as a double game that is only enriching a part of their military but at steep costs to the country and the world in terms of resources and lives?
We Pakistanis cannot accept that our beloved Army and "highly-esteemed" ISI can be wrong. If they get any criticism we get upset and claim people are out ot get us, which in some cases would be true. I personally do believe that the Americans would rather see a dominant India and subservient neighbouring states in that region and of course we should not accept that.
Our upper level military and intelligence officers are greedy and care about themselves. They neither understand the Afghans they play with and certainly underestimate the Americans. They make silly remarks like we are not Iraq or Afghanistan.....yes you are right....The Iraqis and Afghans have never been bulliedso easily. We might have nuclear but with leaders like Musharaf, Zardari and Kayani past and present....we are not going to get far.
The sad fact is our army is not accountable and they have a propaganda machine which dominates any opposing points of view. The leaders in the army have a easy life and he most work they do is play golf, that is how demnading their routine can be. They dont give a fig abiout the common man of the country or the thousands of soldiers who have lost their lives through the double deals.
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I agree with comments that the documentary is at least slightly biased against Pakistan.
But is it all 100% incorrect? I don't think so, and I know most of you are with me on that one, specially after Osama being found in a Pak army city. ISI (at least parts of it) is in bed with Taliban and parts of Alqaeda. CIA was too back in the day. Difference here is the "was". With the amount of money US gives Pak, I don't blame them to want Pak to side with US wholly and honestly.
What I don't like.. is that the west keeps talking about Pak supporting Taliban.. without mentioning that the US / CIA supported Taliban back in the day. Why is that conveniently left out everytime?
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i agree with you
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..... What I don't like.. is that the west keeps talking about Pak supporting Taliban.. without mentioning that the US / CIA supported Taliban back in the day. Why is that conveniently left out everytime?
because when the West collaborated with the mujahiddeen/taleban in the past it was against the spread of communism. Neither taleban nor agencies such as ISI in any part, were working against the West.
Now the situation is that taleban and at least parts of ISI are working AGAINST us all - West, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan et al
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The BBC is not an organisation which is known for any kind of bias particularly against Muslims. It has been said that the BBC has shown more programmes orientated towards British Pakistanis and ignored British Indians.
So are the people on this board saying that the ISI or military has not supported the Taliban at all? I am not saying they have just wanted to ask your opinions.
IMO intelligence agencies usually have their own agendas when compared to elected civilian governments who change policy on a whim. This applies to all countries but Pakistan has had a particularly hard time over the years.
Pakistans relationship with the US is confusing, many Pakistanis hate the US rejoice when US soldiers are killed. But consecutive goernments seem to bend over backwards to appease the Americans.