"Second coming" and Christianity?

In some articles regarding the religious slant of the Bush administration, i have read that extremist Christians believe Israel must be supported because Israel is the site of the “second coming”. i was hoping someone more knowledgeable than myself would explain some of the contextual information of this - where exactly does it state this?

And um sorry if this sounds stupid, what is the “second coming” exactly - that Prophet Jesus (may God’s peace and blessings be upon him) will descend to earth? For those who believe in it, does it signify that the day of judgement is much closer?

Nadia,

Most of the ‘Christian extremists’ that you mentioned are from South of United States. Living in the ‘Bible belt’ I have had extensive discussions with them on their belief. Most of them follow one or the other form of Protestant Christian beliefs & label themselves as part of the Southern Baptist Convention. The likes of Pat Robertson & Jerry Farwell are among the leaders of such organizations & movements. If you follow the best sellers of different brand name book stores, you must be familiar with the on going series of books called ‘Left Behind’ by Tim LaHaye & Jerry B. Jenkins. The fictional story of these books is based on Christian belief of the Armageddon, second coming of Jesus and the judgment day.

Their belief in essence is not very different from the main stream Islamic view of the second coming of Jesus (as).

In their view, in order for Jesus to return to this world, all/most of the Jews must be present in/around the “Holy Land” as is described in the prophecies of Revelations. Then there will be the great Armageddon where the Christians will have to fight the ‘infidels’ which most of them believe to be the “Muslims Extremists” along with the Jews. To save the world & mankind from the greatest turmoil, Jesus will return & explain to the Jews, Christians & heathens what “the truth” is. Then those who will follow him will be taken to the “promised land” & the rest will be “left behind”. Then the judgment day will start with Jesus leading the war against the Infidels & non-believing Jews & when it will be over Jesus will hold the proceedings of the pre-judgment day.

They all don’t agree on details of these events, but Jews being in Holy Land, the Armageddon, Jesus’s return from the heaven & him siding with the “pious” Christians is fundamental to all their belief. Muslims don’t put Jews in the picture, only sight that Jesus will return when Muslims will have no hope (and the scale of the “hope” is relative to who you talk to) and will be on their side. He is supposed to kill the swine, break the cross, he will wage a war & kill all those who will not believe in Islam, rule for 40 years and then die.

There is this beast Anti-Christ that also has to appear, which Muslims & Christians believe to be a person who will be the leader of ‘infidels’ & will appose Jesus.

Zionist Jews have actually taken great advantage of the Christian beliefs. Even though very few of them believe in coming of a “Messiah” but those who do believe in his emergence (not descending) believe him to be the crown of the newly evolved Jewish state. According to them the Messiah will take the Jewish state to the glory of the time of Solomon & David.

It’s very common to find ads on American Cable networks, where leaders of these Christians Extremists, will be asking for money to get the “persecuted Jews’ from places like Russia & Eastern Europe to go Israel – which according to them is ‘their land’ and a ‘land of peace’.

The current Bush administration has a big voter base in these regions and even if many of the ‘officials’ in the administration do not believe in that doctrine or consider the current Middle East crisis as part of the bigger picture, still have to sway their vote with the Zionists. Otherwise they will lose the very crucial Electoral College support that probably swept them into power in the past two elections.

Much appreciated. You explain it so well and so patiently, AhmadJee. Thank you. :flower1: Really appreciate your taking the time to explain it all to me.

>>Zionist Jews have actually taken great advantage of the Christian beliefs. Even though very few of them believe in coming of a “Messiah” but those who do believe in his emergence (not descending) believe him to be the crown of the newly evolved Jewish state.<<
It’s strange that Zionist Jews should take advantage of these particular Christian beliefs; if i am understanding it correctly, according to the extremist Christian beliefs, when Armageddon occurs, Christians will be fighting against Jews and Muslims… but then i guess Zionist Jews would not believe in the validity of that and instead subscribe to their belief that the newly evolved Jewish state will rise up.

>>It’s very common to find ads on American Cable networks, where leaders of these Christians Extremists, will be asking for money to get the “persecuted Jews’ from places like Russia & Eastern Europe to go Israel – which according to them is ‘their land’ and a ‘land of peace’.<<
i am afraid i don’t know much about these ads because i have never seen them. Do these leaders of Christian extremists who sponsor the immigration of these Jews, explicitly state on tv (or on other media like their websites etc) that they are doing this in order to fulfil the ‘requirement’ for the second coming of Prophet Jesus (may God’s peace and blessings be upon him)? i wonder how well aware of this fact those ‘persecuted Jews’ themselves are…? Or even mainstream Christians for that matter.

The Second Coming is mentioned in Hadith as well, and a variation of the anti Christ..in our case it's the Ad-Dajjal.

Nadia: It's been mentioned by many observers how the right wing Christian groups and right wing Jewish ones have formed an alliance of sorts since 9-11. The best example of that was in Florida in the recent state elections. Areas which were predominatly Jewish, and generally voted for Democrat Candidates swung to the conservative right and voted for Bush's brother.

The second coming of Jesus is interpreted in many different ways among Christians. It is more more important and prevelent to fundamentalists than to moderate Christians. But please don't imply that all Christians with the fundamentalist belief of the return of Christ and the Jewish rule of Israel are "extremists". That is as stereotypical and inaccurate as describing Muslim fundamentalists (a much higher percentage of followers vis a via Christians) as extremists.

<~~~ hates the expression.. the word today.

Why must one be an extremist?

AAG wonders if thats really necessary? Sinse we all are human. People who make mistakes. People who haven't actually heard God words.

Anyway...losing my drift..but... I think people should care for each other.

I think God teaches us that, whether one hears that from moses, Jesu', or Mohammad. That is a truth.

The rest? I don't know. I think being hateful towards others is a sin. I think all of our books say so. A simple truth from a simple person.

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**The best example of that was in Florida in the recent state elections. Areas which were predominatly Jewish, and generally voted for Democrat Candidates swung to the conservative right and voted for Bush's brother.
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Good point, Zakk. i appreciate your sharing your comments.

>>...please don't imply that all Christians with the fundamentalist belief of the return of Christ and the Jewish rule of Israel are "extremists".<<
True. Thanks for reminding me, Seminole.

Politics has nothing to do with God.

I think that is all I can say here.

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I think being hateful towards others is a sin. **I think all of our books say so
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:) i agree.

>>Politics has nothing to do with God.<<
AAG, from that perspective, do you see any inherent problems in Islam's mixing of religion with politics?

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And um sorry if this sounds stupid, what is the "second coming" exactly - that Prophet Jesus (may God's peace and blessings be upon him) will descend to earth? For those who believe in it, does it signify that the day of judgement is much closer?
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Nadia, Ahmadjee did explain very well. Just to clarify a little more as to what these so-called "Christian extremists" believe (I possess two of Tim LaHaye's books as his ideas has quite a following):

  1. All believing Christians will be taken away to Jesus Christ (Raptured) 7 years before the return of Jesus Christ
  2. The so-called Anti-Christ will start his reign immediately after the Rapture
  3. The first 3 ½ years of the Anti-Christ's reign will be full of "pests" and hardship
  4. The Anti-Christ will appoint a person to look after all religious matters and to force all people to worship the Anti-Christ
  5. The last 3 ½ years of the Anti-Christ's reign will be extremely hard due to the persecution of people
  6. At the end of the 7 years, the Anti-Christ and False Prophet will conduct a war against Israel and God
  7. Jesus Christ will arrive on the Olive Mount during this war (Armageddon) and destroy the evil armies
  8. Satan will be bound for 1000 years while the Anti-Christ and False Prophet will be thrown into hell
  9. Jesus Christ will reign for 1000 years on earth during universal peace
  10. After the 1000 years Satan will be set loose again and will tempt the people on earth again in making war against Jesus Christ which Satan will loose
  11. Satan will be thrown in hell
  12. All people will be judged by Jesus Christ and either be thrown in hell or live with Jesus Christ for ever

The signs that will show when the "end-of-days" is near: famine, earthquakes, sickness, pests, wars, Jews to again possess Israel, Jewish temple to be rebuild, etc.

I don't accept all of above or the chronological way things will happen. I merely wish to show what they believe. There are various debates among Christians about the way and time the "end-of-days" will occur.

I am really sorry for any perceived disrespect but when I saw "second coming" I thought it was inappropriate for the religious forum (probably linking it to the recent scandals in the American church)

the second coming.. well its going to be universal. God's taking down the whole universe, destroying its dimensions and such. it doesnt really matter where it is.

The Old Man,

Thank you so much for your reply. Very interesting.
i just find this whole issue pretty interesting, perhaps because i have never read that much about this before.

You state that All believing Christians will be taken away to Jesus Christ (Raptured) 7 years before the return of Jesus Christ. Just curious - why is it called a "Rapture"?

Sorry if this is too personal a question (and please feel free to ignore it if you want) - do you personally believe in any of the points you listed above?

In the above points you listed, how much does 'mainstream' Christianity differ from the principles on the extreme spectrum? i guess what i am trying to ask in my usual roundabout way, how do you as a moderate Christian, perceive this whole issue?

Nadia will understanding the second coming help yur islam in any way?
If u think it will, then read some hadiths!

Punjabi-Munda,

...will understanding the second coming help yur islam in any way?
It might. Since when has learning about other religions stood in the way of learning about one's own faith?