Re: Scientific Evidence for Religious Miracles
yea so you believe in it only because its written in ithe religious book of the faith you follow.. you are not going to look at this with a scientific fact based logical approach.. so there isnt much point for you to contribute to this thread..which is about scientific evidence..
if you must label me with a religious identity based on my opinion.. not my birth.. then i am closest to being an atheist
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@ everyone who are trying to relate religion and science:
Could you guys answer me a little question? For a moment lets not debate on the present. Lets, hypothetically, assume that we are living in 1400BC .. .. what excuse you guys would come up to not believe in Quran? since at that time there "science" was not that advance. Should i say since that you guys are brain washed so amazingly by today's meida that you try to relate every single thing with religion .. .. what about if you guys had born in 1400 BC.
On different note:
When you raise an objection about something related to religion and say science does not prove it .. are you certain that "science" has reached to its most advance form to prove it? things which were not proven by science a decade ago are now being proved with passage of time. However, whatever religion said 1400 years ago is still there. Science has to go long way to reach at that point to prove those things.
Your doubts should not be on religion .. your doubts should be on science which is still in its evolution phase
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No offensive 2 u bro!
Let me share with u something.
"when a baby born, is the baby at the time of giving him/her birth (delivery), seen who was her mother and who was his/her father? Simple answer is 'No', but after passing few years the baby (in growing age) starts recognizing his/her parents, uncle, aunts etc. till rest of his/her life.
Question is that when baby hav not seen her mother was giving her birth than how he/she believe that lady is his/her real mother and that gentleman is his/her real father? this is b'coz other pplz say to that baby and thats a blind faith on which the baby accept them as his/her parents.
So if we believe, that lady/gentleman is their parents than why we arn't believe in one God? His Scientific Miracles in His Book (holy Qur'an).
btw in ancient, there was no services such like DNA test were available to proof it.
P.S. Pardon my poor english.
@ everyone who are trying to relate religion and science:
Could you guys answer me a little question? For a moment lets not debate on the present. Lets, hypothetically, assume that we are living in 1400BC .. .. what excuse you guys would come up to not believe in Quran? since at that time there "science" was not that advance. Should i say since that you guys are brain washed so amazingly by today's meida that you try to relate every single thing with religion .. .. what about if you guys had born in 1400 BC.
On different note: When you raise an objection about something related to religion and say science does not prove it .. are you certain that "science" has reached to its most advance form to prove it? things which were not proven by science a decade ago are now being proved with passage of time. However, whatever religion said 1400 years ago is still there. Science has to go long way to reach at that point to prove those things.
Your doubts should not be on religion .. your doubts should be on science which is still in its evolution phase
What is the 1400 BC date about?
Yes Science is ever evolving because scientists do not shut off their heads.. whenever new evidence is found they address is with an open mind. But how does this add any scientific credibility to these miracle stories?
Let's say there is a theory T. Some people whole heartedly believe that it's true. But there is no scientific evidence to it. It's just a theory.. a story.. a dream..whatever..Now.. saying that "Science as of today does not prove it.. but science evolves and someday it will prove it".. adds NO more scientific credibility to the theory TODAY.
You can make up any theory right now and say "sure.. it doesnt sounds logical as of our understanding today.. but in the future we will get more advanced and then it will make sense"....but it remains a theory.. a story..
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lethal.. im sorry man but i do not understand the point of your last post.
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sharaabee, I edited and i hope now it makes sense now :)
What is the 1400 BC date about?
Yes Science is ever evolving because scientists do not shut off their heads.. whenever new evidence is found they address is with an open mind. But how does this add any scientific credibility to these miracle stories?
Let's say there is a theory T. Some people whole heartedly believe that it's true. But there is no scientific evidence to it. It's just a theory.. a story.. a dream..whatever..Now.. saying that "Science as of today does not prove it.. but science evolves and someday it will prove it".. adds NO more scientific credibility to the theory TODAY.
You can make up any theory right now and say "sure.. it doesnt sounds logical as of our understanding today.. but in the future we will get more advanced and then it will make sense"....but it remains a theory.. a story..
1400 was just random figure. say it 1300 or 1500 .. whatever makes you happy.
sound like i am talking to a sensible person. Perfect answer. Now try to understand this thing
as long as some theory, say some random "science" theory is not being proven wrong by today's technology, it is considered authentic. Right? there were number of scientific facts which were standards for ages unless they were proven wrong .. does that make sense?
so if we accept those wrong theories RIGHT unless they are not proven wrong then why don't we accept "religious" facts right unless they are proven wrong?
you are raising points on credibililty of mircales and ohter religious stuff. I ask you a question, give me scientific proves stating that those miracles were wrong. I am being specific. Don't give me theories that it can't happen so that miracle is impossible. I am asking specific scientific studies proving those miracles wrong.
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I have a book named “The Bible, The Quran and Sciece” .. written by Dr. Maurice Bucaille.
Here is the link of the book .. The Bible, the Qur'an and Science: (La Bible, le Coran et la Science) The Holy Scriptures Examined in the Light of Modern Knowledge, translated from the French: Maurice Bucaille, Alastair D. Pannell: 9780935782493: Amazon.com: Books
i have its soft copy. Anyone who have doubts in quran and wants to believe it from some “humans” pen .. he can ask me .. i will forward that book to him ..
P.S:
ITS JUST A CONTRIUBUTION TO LOTS OF THEORIES THAT ISLAM STATS. IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU NEGATE OTHER THEORIES. SCIENCE DOES NO HAVE THAT TECHNOLOGY TO PROVE THE REST.
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one more thing.
You know, sometime you learn from teacher and you ask something .. teacher say you will not get it since you are stil learning. its not that he does not have proves. It means that your mental level is so small that he could not absorb or come to the level of TEACHER to understand all that ..
similarly, when u say quran and its justifications from science perspective, i ask .. doesn't it mean that you want to come the level of Allah .. :| ?
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One more thing. While reading these comments, read 'em with the notion that you are ready to ACCEPT if there are RIGHT things .. but if you are reading just to prove every single thing wrong .. by anymeans .. its not gona help it .. :) ..
Rule of decent and sensible arguments: Accept next person if he is right.
one more thing.
You know, sometime you learn from teacher and you ask something .. teacher say you will not get it since you are stil learning. its not that he does not have proves. It means that your mental level is so small that he could not absorb or come to the level of TEACHER to understand all that ..
similarly, when u say quran and its justifications from science perspective, i ask .. doesn't it mean that you want to come the level of Allah .. :| ?
Nice post T1000
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"as long as some theory, say some random "science" theory is not being proven wrong by today's technology, it is considered authentic."
NO ! That's not how it works. You cannot put any theory out there and ask people to ACCEPT that it's right. You are putting the theory out there. Provide real credible scientific proofs. The onus is on you. The "proofs" that all religions provide are all bogus.
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We have not yet 'discovered' much about nature of our being and the physical through science.
Heck, we have not yet been able to explain things as common as 'gravity'.
There is a reason some things are called 'meta physical'.
Go back (not much) a couple of hundred years in time and show anyone the 'miracle' of SKYPE or iphone or HDTV or DVD or super-sonic jet and you'll have a believer without producing scientific evidence of its existence. :P
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kakaballi.. that's true.. im in agreement with your post.. we are learning and advancing everyday and its both fascinating and incredible!
however.. our acceptance that we dont konw 100% and are still learning and advancing should not give a free license to anyone to throw their theories around without having them back them up with credibly scientific evidence.. if they dont.. they are bogus.... T1000 is tossing this theory out there he should be the one providing real credible scientific proofs.... not expect us to launch a global investigation to find out if this super natural being exists or not in some corner of the universe..
So no.. no scientific explanation to these ancient miracles.. cuz none of them are factual.
Science cannot explain miracles coz if it did then they wouldn't be called miracles.
On what basis you think miracles are not factual?
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Stigmata is a real miracle. Scientifically seen and observed. No proof to how it happens etc.
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^Wow, I thought that was a made up thing.
^Wow, I thought that was a made up thing.
It is.
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^huh? Please explain.
Because research has proven it to be a hoax. It's just regular wounds.