Scholars Declare Nude Body Scanners Immoral and Haram

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The amount of insecurity is amazing. But then again expected from those who lack a basic understanding of the religion. But lets forget that. Why don't we take a humanistic and more importantly democratic basis for our discussion.

The freedom to choose. A very basic fundamental democratic right in the US and the UK. Why must we be forced to go through the screenings when we can choose to go for a physical pat down? Both are adequate in fighting existing forms of terrorism. But the problem with all security situations is that they are reactive not proactive.

Also a personal question, why do you all have such a fit when it comes to a Muslim scholar saying something regarding the applicability of modern devices with religious ethos.

Its pretty obvious you don't care. Nor do you listen. Nor do you actually wish to learn about the faith. So why the fit?

Other than insecurity I can't think of a reason. An answer would be appreciated.

id rather be molested by security lady than go thru those scanners..

Fair enough those scholars think body scanners are haram but do they have any idea how ppl are going to get to other countries for necessity and to do hajj?? By swimming there?? I always thought Islamic rulings like this were weighed up with the rules and regulations of different countries eg. insurance is said to be haram but obviously in the West car insurance is mandatory so it is generally classed as being allowed, in times of necessity so-called haram becomes halal eg. pork is allowed when there is nothing else or we're starving so I would have thought body scanners, altho controversial, would be ok if we have no other choice..

I agree with the ulemas, in that however you look at it, these body scanners are immoral, and from an islamic POV haram. This not about stopping you're travels either. The point here is, knowing you're rights are being violated, you need to protest.

The thing is however, that this is not just a muslim issue, lots of people from all backgrounds aswell as human right groups have protested and voiced thier concerns of violation of privacy, so there is ultimately no sense in chasing after ulemas who voice similiar concerns, merely because you yourself seem to have no sense of self respect or dignity, but prefer swallowing what ever crap your Gov. throws at you. That is not freedom you know, that is mental slavery.

As for the security issue, the body scanners are chosen for the random travellers anyway, not everyone is asked to go through it, so how that is effective in providing security for anyone is beyond me.

Good points!

Like you said, it's not just us Muslims protesting, everyone who cares just a little about his/her dignity is protesting. Unfortunately, some of us are blind to the fact how the governments are taking away our privacy little by little. I guess time will tell.

Rules and regulations? It doesn't mean every rule and regulation is right. Is it? Everyone has a right to protest especially when it comes to privacy! Come on, think outside of the box for once and stop letting those in power control your lives.

Of course everyone has a right to protest if that's what they believe but me personally I'm not that fussed esp if there's a woman manning the machine, bit embarrassed maybe that the person will see my plastic but that's all.. I'm not too sure if they allow pat-downs instead (think I read somewhere that they do but then again two Muslim women were sent home after refusing to go thru the scanner and dunno if they were offered that or not)..

how many people besides you follow your almighty scholars? who do these paindoos represent? not i, or a trillion others. :)

I am definitely better then these "scholars." They are beneath me. :)

I feel you are young and getting carried away by being too emotional about this. No one cares. Its for the greater good. Full stop. :)

You do know that hubris is a tragic flaw right?

There are benefits and costs to be weighed here. Sure, your "izzat", whatever some of you have left, is at stake when it comes to these scanners. However, is it worth saving all that "izzat" for the sake of allowing a couple of terrorists to actually accomplish their plans and thereby annhilate a couple of planes' worth of lives?

No thanks. I'd rather ALL Y'ALL get scanned completely and if it means doing security-side colonoscopies to check for hidden bombs in your colon, I'll support that too, over the risk of ME or anyone else innocent dying in some raving lunatic's mission to get 72 virgins and an infinity in what he thinks is going to be paradise.

This is the problem with our maulvis. They don't think cost-benefit analysis anymore. They don't apply logic. Why don't they be CONSTRUCTIVE and aide this process of protecting innocent civlians by suggesting that people be allowed to ask that screening be done by gender-similar security officers?

In other words, if you really are that insecure about your man-package, you can ask a security gentlemen, who hopefully is not bigger than you, to screen you as you walk through...as oppose to the morbidly obese 45 year old woman munching on her 3rd bag of cheetos for the day, who honestly has seen 100 men that look just like you previously and isn't at all bothered by it.

That's like outlawing doctors to examine you in the United States, because doctors are not gender-specific in their practice...you always have the choice to ask for a gender-similar doc...

Similarly, these fatwas are no different than calling the entire health care system in the US haraam because male docs are examinging female patients and female docs are examining male patients. Because of your narrow-minded approach, you're going to eliminate a system that is useful (well, healthcare sys is a bad example in that respect) at the expense of adhering to your mind-numbing gender segregated ways?

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^ that fear makes a sudden loss of izzat justified? I think not PCG.

What if the terrorists STILL find a way of bombing planes with the use of body scanners. What next? Are we going to have to walk naked to an airport? When does all this pallava end?

Also, I would like to remind you guys here that the underwear bomber managed to dodge a body scanner in full operative use in Amsterdam.

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Stardust, ok, that is the kind of logical arguments that the maulvis COULD set forth. They could push us to evaluate whether this technology is actually worth it and could we use some other technology that might be just as more useful and quick?

Sure, those are very good questions.

But just outlawing a technology because some security guard is gonna get a look at you - man whatever. You can walk through it in your burqa and just ask the security officer to have a female security officer to examine your image as you walk through.

You ask nicely and have a shred of decency when you do it, they will be happy to help you.

I haven't researched the topic, anyway, but how many people have they apprehended using this search technique? Maybe this is just the beginning. Just like that one guy evaded the system, maybe that example can help them make better scanners in the future...

Why are we desi muslims SO AGAINST PROGRESS??

"Hubris often indicates a loss of touch with reality and overestimating one's own competence or capabilities, especially for people in positions of power."

:) had to look it up! ^^

"Terrorists" will board the plane even if you strip search every passenger. The underwear bomber was helped by the FBI. Yes it was on CNN :D

This is not progress. Even non-Muslims say it’s not. :rolleyes:

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I missed the whole underwear bomber thing...as I DO NOT HAVE TELEVISION.

If I don't see it on hulu, it never happened.

I have no idea what happened in that case, but that's why I'm asking - how many people has this technology caught at this point?

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i think calling alims/molvis/sheikhs paindoos and stuff is just not right...if u cant respect someone atleast dont disrespect them, save yr dignity/self-respect or whatever...i dnt agree with quite a few of them bt i dnt call them names such as paindoo bla bla or think am above them....ok am off topic, please dnt pounce on me, just an opinion..

Yup, that's what I say..

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Yea, which is why it is important to remind yourself that these "scholars" are just human beings. Most of whom are paindoo, and less then educated then you (and consequently also scared of technology...I remember the many fatwas against the internet in 1997 when it became really popular lol). :)