Pasha Sahib
I do agreed with your on other point of views
but
NO for above person
when top judicery involve in politics there is no way lead to lighten way but only dark .. what its seems to me TUM NE MERI DHOTI KHENCHI MAIN TERI LUNGI KHENCHON GA LOL..
I am sorry but nothing new . It is as they wanted. Why not 'Angels' ruling Pakistan for 8o% time from 1958 t0 2008.
You are a 24x7 whinner dude. You complained under “dictator”, and you cry under “democracy”.
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Demcracy cannot prevail among leg pullers. Two years into the government and people start losing patience. This happens everytime and everytime people treat it as a unique episode in our political history. Two years is a virtual limit, all buzzers go off after that.
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I have just seen a program at Sama Tv where everyone was criticizing S.C.'s attitude. I am my self against this decision but believe me I am really afraid . Are we goinig to a state of confrontation . Who is behind this ?
Demcracy cannot prevail among leg pullers. Two years into the government and people start losing patience. This happens everytime and everytime people treat it as a unique episode in our political history. Two years is a virtual limit, all buzzers go off after that.
No.
People 'lose patience'with Army govts in a lot less then two years, but can't do anything about it.
Unlike in a democracy where the people's voice is heard
I have just seen a program at Sama Tv where everyone was criticizing S.C.'s attitude. I am my self against this decision but believe me I am really afraid . Are we goinig to a state of confrontation . Who is behind this ?
This time Pakistan establishment is trying to take over Islamabad through Supreme Court. And PPP is the only party to fight it out.
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This is something to be very careful.
For both sides.
See this statement. (By Dunya Tv web)
Khawaja Sharif expects conspiracy against judiciary
Chief Justice Lahore High Court (LHC) Justice Khawaja Sharif said Friday that conspiracies could be initiated against the judiciary and urged lawyers to be ready for a movement similar to the restoration of judiciary.
Addressing the lawyers at Pakpattan Bar Association, Khawaja Sharif maintained that NRO is a discriminatory law and Supreme Court gave a historic verdict. Accountability process has been launched for the first time and now all the decisions will be based on merit. He lauded lawyers’ movement against PCO judges and said further cooperation of lawyers is essential on new judicial policy. CJ LHC said Iftikhar Chaudhry is the leader of the lawyer community, may Allah bless him. He said the nation is awake and no conspiracy could succeed now.
This time Pakistan establishment is trying to take over Islamabad through Supreme Court. And PPP is the only party to fight it out.
PPP may be as corrupt as the next party, but it has two keys qualities
1. It can win seats from all provinces
2. You will see Sindhi, Punjabee, Pathan, Baluch and Urdu Speakers in its top rank of leaders.
This makes PPP the only party that can represent this nation. PML can make government by just winning punjab, but that would not help keep this country united, the way PPP can. People who are trying to destablize central government, are all who would love to see PML back in power. I hope they are aware of the cost.
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So PPP has decided to act upon S.C. verdict and to face once again the old cases.
They are brave people and They have their wonderful record of fighting with conspiracies and dictators. They have faced all from Ayoub Khan to Mush.
Read a Geo report;
Ministers not to resign, face cases: PPP Updated at: 2310 PST, Saturday, December 19, 2009
ISLAMABAD: The Central Executive Committee of Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) has decided that PPP leaders will defend the cases in courts while all government departments will work within their specified limits.
The CEC meeting was held here at the Presidency on Saturday which was presided over by the party co-chairman President Asif Ali Zardari. The meeting lasted for 7 hours.
Briefing the media about CEC meeting, PPP Secretary General Jahangir Badar said that party is unified under the leadership of Asif Ali Zardari.
“The party would continue to struggle for the people, federation, supremacy of justice and the Constitution,” he asserted.
Jehangir Badar said PPP is facing a number of challenges and that the process of reconciliation will be carried on in future.
Referring to the current geo-political situation of the country, he said all other paths lead to anarchy while only the democratic way leads to stability and progress.
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In a democracy a man convicted and found guilty of money laundering by a court can not be President. Simple fact of reality. Regardless of all your BS.
In a democracy a man convicted and found guilty of money laundering by a court can not be President. Simple fact of reality. Regardless of all your BS.
That is what we say. Nothing proved against anyone in spite of spending 5 billion Rupees against one person only. They have already faced these charges in past under cruel rulers. Every one went into the trap of some media persons com-pain and every rule of justice was ignored.
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Now see what is the view of civil society of Pakistan.
Asma terms NRO verdict dangerous precedent
Daily Times Monitor
LAHORE: The judiciary has crossed its limits and it is a dangerous precedent that the Supreme Court passed a verdict on the parliamentarians’ morality, Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (HRCP) Chairwoman Asma Jahangir said on Saturday.
In an interview to BBC Urdu, she said if a standard for the morality of parliament members was set, then who would decide the criteria for the judges. She said it was not judicial activism, as the court had crossed its given limits of authority, adding, “Courts do have the authority to supervise, but no one has heard of monitoring cells before.”
Urging the judiciary to review its conduct, Asma said the Supreme Court must regain its old stature. She said the courts should deliver justice across the board and not target some particular individuals. Asma said the cases against all corrupt individuals must no doubt be presented in the courts, but the way in which the judiciary had acted was objectionable.
^ Maybe she is now on the paylist of PPP!
PPP may be as corrupt as the next party, but it has two keys qualities 1. It can win seats from all provinces 2. You will see Sindhi, Punjabee, Pathan, Baluch and Urdu Speakers in its top rank of leaders.
This makes PPP the only party that can represent this nation. PML can make government by just winning punjab, but that would not help keep this country united, the way PPP can. People who are trying to destablize central government, are all who would love to see PML back in power. I hope they are aware of the cost.
You make a valid point here but can you also deny this:
Punjabis (PPP supporters incl. many brainless* jiyalas* in Punjab) would not hesitate to vote for a Sindhi candidate or leader in favour of a Punjabi in an election but Sindhis would never vote for a Punjabi candidate in favour of a Sindhi - as confirmed by past elections! Hence I say Punjabis are THE most broad-minded race amongst Pakistanis. Sindhis can't see beyond their own nose or Bhutto due to years of brainwashing
a good piece, worth reading!
The Tide Has Turned!
It must go to the lasting discredit of our political parties and their leaders that within two years of a credible election the centre of state power and public interest has shifted once again from parliament to the Supreme Court and GHQ.
The politicians may allege conspiracies by outsiders but have only their own shenanigans to blame. In pursuing personal and factional interests they have been violating almost every rule and convention of parliamentary democracy. In the absence of a single-party majority in the National Assembly, the obvious course for the two major parties — the PPP, PML-N — to follow was that one should lead a coalition government and the other a united opposition. Instead, Mr Zardari’s incessantly talked of ‘taking everybody on board’ and Mr Nawaz Sharif assured ‘not to destabilise the system’. They couldn’t, however, bring themselves round to forming a national government.
Resultantly, the governments at the centre and in the provinces have been no more than ragbags of ministers, advisers, special assistants, ambassadors at large, you name it, drawn from a variety of parties — some with shady backgrounds. Particularly comical was the position in Balochistan where, at one time, every assembly member joined the government but for one who was also the leader of his own one-man opposition.
The worse, and fatal, blow to the parliamentary system, however, came when Mr Asif Zardari chose to be the president of the country and the PPP in Punjab preferred to be an unwelcome, sulking partner in Shahbaz Sharif’s government rather than sit in the opposition. Mr Kamal Azfar should not have been blaming the CIA and GHQ, nor Babar Awan, the Jews and Qadianis for conspiring against the government. Conspiracies brewed in its own ranks. The Supreme Court’s order now leaves no choice for the political leaders but to agree to hold elections afresh.
If the Supreme Court’s order points towards immediate elections, the NFC award announced a week earlier provides a rudimentary basis for a new compact between the federation and the provinces. For the first time the award has recognised that (i) the provinces deserve a larger share in the national income; (ii) population should not be the only basis; (iii) the tax jurisdiction of the provinces needs to be enlarged; and (iv) the provinces should have greater control over their natural resources.
Punjab had been traditionally resisting any departure from the set formula. This time round Shahbaz Sharif pioneered the change and his province has been the only loser. Balochistan, justifiably the most aggrieved, has gained the most. Admittedly, the award is no substitute for provincial autonomy but it is certainly a small step in that direction.
The problems confronting the country are too many and too formidable for the present shattered institutions and demoralised leadership to comprehend and resolve. Topping the list are: constitutional structures, provincial autonomy, jurisdiction of local councils and reorganisation of civil services. Violence may subside but discontent will continue to simmer till the representatives of the people from all regions elected now find some equitable and enduring solutions.
That the form of government will be parliamentary and the prime minister the chief executive is by now a settled question. But how the prime minister should be restrained from abusing his authority remains a worrisome issue. The recent appointments of secretaries and ambassadors are a case in point.
A solution that instantly suggests itself is that all such appointments should be subject to the approval of a committee of the Senate. Presently Ben Bernanke is being grilled by a US Senate committee for his second tenure as head of the Federal Reserve. Here the president/prime minister pick up whosoever they want as governor of the State Bank. The public accounts committee headed by Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan has shown that abuse of financial authority can be checked but long after it has taken place. For appointments the committee’s approval must come beforehand.
In legislative institutions the reform most needed is direct elections to the Senate. In the present system the Senate just mirrors the position of parties in the National Assembly.
The aspirations for provincial autonomy range from near-independence to mere abolition of the concurrent list. In the prevailing regional situation, which threatens the country overall as much as its various parts, it should be possible to meet the extremists halfway. The new parliament — with a directly elected Senate — would be the best forum to debate and settle this question which has never really been seriously considered as the ‘nationalists’ are viewed either as cranks or secessionists.
Local councils should be protected in the constitution but each province must have its own law defining its functions. The underlying principle should be that the council must earn its keep. An independent commission should determine the subsidy each council must get depending on the income it can raise and the service it is expected to provide.
The civil service (that is all career public servants) to put it curtly has become an extension of the political party in power. Politicians expect civil servants to carry out their orders. The people have been fast losing faith in the ability of the civil servants to be just and impartial. Today their trust is at an all-time low. No commission has been able to reverse this trend nor will another if it were to be constituted. The police was politicised more when Musharraf’s law put it under independent commissions. The only remedy left to be tried is to go back to the laws and systems that governed the civil servants before Z.A. Bhutto signified the advent of the people’s regime by dismissing 1,300 of them.
Much may not be achieved but an effort must be made to reform the legal and administrative systems before the optimism generated by the Supreme Court’s judgment fades away. ‘There is a tide in the affairs of men, which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune. Omitted, all the voyage of their life is bound in shallows and in miseries. On such a full sea are we now afloat. And we must take the current when it serves, or lose our ventures.’—Shakespeare.
^ Maybe she is now on the paylist of PPP!
Please. There are only few fair all the time.
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Good article pointing out the media bias against the PPP, screaming and shouting about the PPP; while murderers and looters don’t even get mentioned
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/columnists/
But with due respect to their lordships, the way in which the NRO case was heard, or shall I say the way in which it was allowed to be reported in the press and on TV, left a bad taste in the mouth, and has set a very bad precedent at a time of extreme peril for the country.
All through the proceedings there was not a murmur in the press and TV (which were reporting the proceedings of the Supreme Court, mark) about the thousands of murder and hundreds of torture cases whose alleged perpetrators were also beneficiaries of the NRO.
The only name that was bandied about with abandon was that of Asif Zardari; the only litany heard was ‘money laundering, $60m, Swiss courts’ over and over and over again. Not one word about chopped up bodies in gunny bags, or people’s knees and electric drills.
More than that, since the NRO was such a bad law and ultra vires of the constitution, how is it that no mention was made of/no strictures placed on/no charges preferred against, the architect of this ordinance, the Commando?
How is it that those behind the deal-making based on this unconstitutional and illegal ordinance were not named and shamed/charged outright? Indeed, as reported widely at the time, the present chief of army staff was the DG ISI when the final draft of the NRO was being presented to Benazir in Dubai and was part of Musharraf’s team sent to convince her.
Far more than that, the whole exercise appeared politicians-specific. If what is reported is true i.e. that politicians make up only 0.4 per cent of the beneficiaries of the NRO it is astounding that the press should have only (over) amplified the name of just one politician! Indeed, if any bureaucrats were named they were, you guessed it, those closest to Zardari, and none else.
Again, while the press went to town on the way in which the SC rapped the government on the knuckles for transferring the DG FIA who has evidently got a fine reputation, there was no sense of outrage when the defence minister was humiliated while on his way to China (of all countries) on an official visit, on the pretext that his name was on the Exit Control List. This is something that should be immediately noted and condemned by all political parties for if it is a minister of the PPP being disgraced today, it will be one of theirs tomorrow.
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Have we ever thought about the reasons why Pakistani people were dancing on the road when NS was thrown away by Mushy, Have we ever thought that Why no one came on streets when ZAB was thrown and later hanged by ZIA, do we know why people of Pakistan feel good when Sikandar Mirza was thrown out by Ayoub?
The reason is simple, army moved against the 5% of Pakistani Population, the Elite-Class, who have no sympathy nor does it have any interest in solving common mans problem, not all only that, these elites have comprised a system where a common man like you and me are not able to voice their feelings/concern on anything, these Elite-Class have formed different Parties like PPP, PML ( all alphabets) and others to keep control of things, all the political parties are ruled by families, or personalities... When ever the common man get dissappointed, he use to look at an army general who is a common man, I met for Karachi-Mass-Transit Project and during the presentation he rightly told us about the different bus outes in Karachi and problems faced by people and it was because, he was from Middle-class common family...Same can be said for Zia, now this is another story that how these Elites get these army generals painted in their way.
This is the first time in the history of Pakistan that these elites have been threaten by the somebody who is not the part of Army and is the very right person to do this, I mean who else then a Judge should provide the justice to the 95% of the people... CJ is doing what the SC should be doing for past 60 years.. unfortunately this was not done, now somebody is doing it, somebody is there who can make a difference, then what is the problem for the 95%...
Maybe it is the tactics of the smarties of 5%, that let the CJ be defamed, let him be disgraced and let him be the lessons for others who tries to mess with the 5% and their corruption...
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