SC rules in favor of Sharif brothers (merged)

[Sa1eem]

Re: SC rules in favor of Sharif brothers (merged)

@Shamraz_Khan

PM can appoint any serving General (not a civilian) as an army chief. Mushrraf was I think number 5 in terms of seniority when he was appointed as an army chief. He was picked b/c NS feared Punjabi generals and he thought Mushrraf being from a smaller ethnic group will not challenged his authority. Thats is a known fact.

Yes, PM at the time of appointment can appoint any Lt Gen (not any General but any Lt. General) as army chief. Anyhow, please read my post again. I did not write ‘senior most’ but I wrote ‘from army seniors’.

@Shamraz_Khan

No, I think you’re confused. Let me give you an example. The post man who delivers you mail is a govt employee, but his boss (post master gen) who hired him might be a political appointee. When the govt changes hand, political appointee has to go, but the lower level guy can stay provided his new boss is ok with it.

No, I am not confused. No post in government can be filled by appointing authority but can be filled after following certain rules and regulations (though you are right that in some countries, seniors overlook this requirement … though that is illegal). As for post master general, that is not politically appointed post but it is government jobs and person get to that post after working many years of working in post office and getting promotion to that post. No one can sack ‘post master general’ like any government employee unless there is valid reason.

@Shamraz_Khan

Oh, yes they do my friend. I can give you countless examples of this here in the US. When new president takes over he always appoints new army chief of staff.

Is it? Seems that American system is as corrupt as Pakistani System, issi liya seems many Pakistanis that go to USA still stay supporter of corrupts

@Shamraz_Khan

You forgot to add corrupt generals who are eating away half of our GDP & have never delivered anything worthwhile, and not to mention losing half of the country.

Half of Pakistan GDP is 73 billion dollars (Total GDP is around 146 billion dollars). Pakistan defence budget is around 4 billion dollars. Around a million people get paid from those 4 billion dollars plus all equipments of forces come from that too. India defence budget is over 22 billion dollars. How sad that Pakistan spend 18 percent of what India spends on defence and expect that they would defend the country on that money.

As for what military did for country, well they increased Pakistan GDP from around 60 billion dollars in 1999 to today 146 billion dollars. I think that this is a big achievement. Stock market during last 8 years has increased 10 times, and that is big achievement … well, I won’t go into all what have got achieved, as that would become boring to even read for some Only thing I can say is that the biggest achievement of military is to save Pakistan from blood sucker parasites like BB and NS.

@Shamraz_Khan

Well, he is still the CJ and what he say goes. BTW, Nepotism you’re accusing him off…that happened before he was even appointed as a CJP, and that too, by none other than your pious and sinless general president Mushrraf.

I agree that his nepotism happened long time ago. I could not deny the fact. It is also true that this corrupt CJ of Pakistan was appointed by Musharraf and I could not deny that fact too. But than I never said that Musharraf never made mistakes or that Musharraf is an angel, did I?

I think that Musharraf was trying to reduce that deprivation feeling of Balochistan and that resulted first time in Pakistan history to have a Baloch Chief Jusstice and Baloch Prime Minister and many other Baloch at crucial posts. But again, that does not mean that all what happened during Musharraf rule was 100 percent perfect. Still again I have to accept that President’s appointee (CJ) is not a very bad person (though still bad). He is better than mega corrupts like NS, BB. Probably he is less corrupt than many others we had as judges.

@Shamraz_Khan

Sorry, but w/o judiciary the govt will be incomplete. BTW, why not just make Mushrraf as parliament, president, and the CJ, after I’m sure you will agree that we don’t need these corrupt institution, or do we?

No, judiciary is a need of government as many other institutions working for government. If Pakistan was a country of few millions than that was possible, but responsibility on government is of 160 million people, and thus all institutions are needed. I never said that Pakistan does not need judiciary as institution neither all work can be done by one person. I only said that if government wants to, they can get rid of judiciary too.

It is like, a person sleeps on bed. But that does not mean that the person cannot sleep without bed. Certainly one can sleep even if that person does not have bed. Still it is better to sleep on bed. Same way a country can survive without judiciary, but that does not mean that a country should survive without judiciary.

@Shamraz_Khan

Thanks for the information. I wasted all these yeas in law school. What was I thinking?

Issi liya aap nay lika kay … post master general is political post that changes whenever new political party comes to power. … did you spend so many years in Pakistani law school? Well I am sorry … I know that post master general is not political post in Pakistan and UK, maybe it is in corrupt system of USA, who knows? Though, I am doubtful about that too .

@Shamraz_Khan

Last time I checked to contest an election BA was the minimum requirement, and that is why most of Mushrraf lotas ended up buying degrees from online diploma mills. BTW, PM, the President, MPA, MNA and Senators all of them are govt employees. You may want to double check on that.

You know what? When I wrote my last post I was thinking that you might get confuse and might write what you wrote … that is why I made sure to write [especial education need (being a lawyer)] and not just [educational need] hoping that you would understand. Can you please tell me if a degree is ‘special educational need for being a member of parliament (anywhere in the world)’ or it is introduced in (illiterate, tribal and feudal) Pakistan as a proof that person that would reach parliament is able to read, write and understand at reasonable level (so that he/she can really contribute)?

@Shamraz_Khan

Its b/c SC function very differently from other branches of the govt.

You mean other branches of government works in same way and it is only SC that works differently? Please specify?

@Shamraz_Khan

Good to see that you have sound moral principles. Instead of facing the challenged and proving your innocence, you’re willing to buy out a judge. Thats the reason why Pakistan is where it is today…

KIya kiya jayea? If CJ of a country is corrupt and wants BMW to give verdicts regardless of it being right or wrong, what an ordinary citizen like me could do? I am poor Pakistani with no connections and that is why I feel worried when finds that Pakistan has corrupt CJ. To save my butt, have to pay until the day a clean CJ, a clean Prime Minister and a cleaner system comes to Pakistan. Yahaan morality ka kiya sawaal hay? Yea survival ka sawaal hay

[And mind you, none of my post was person specific but system specific. I could not understand why and how you and many here read system specific post and turn that into person (Musharraf) specific? :halo: ]