SC Justice Khalilur Rehman Ramday blasts the Govt, mocks the CJ...(merged)

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He should be consistent.

If he is wanting to uphold the rule of law etc, then he should apologise for swearing an oath on Musharraf's PCO, validating the military coup, and allowing him amend the constitution singlehandedly. He can't do all that as very basis as Chief Justice would vanish, and he would be back as just a lowly justice on the Balochistan High Court. Hypocrite.

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:rotfl: The son is as poor as the jet setting father.

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^^ atleast not that son who is sitting in Boston to enjoy luxuries !!!!!!!!!!

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an enquiry should be conducted into the induction of CJ's son....and the guilty sent to the gallows...

in this case the authority relaxing the rules was the great clean 'prime minister' of pakistan himself...

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at present the judges can contest the findings of SJC…

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\05\25\story_25-5-2007_pg1_4

Justice Ramday favours judges’ right to appeal SJ
** Wants a ‘win-win’*C findings * end to chief justice of Pakistan case

By Mohammad Kamran*

ISLAMABAD: The Supreme Court (SC) on Thursday observed that a judge facing misconduct charges was deprived of the right to appeal against his removal while a clerk or a peon enjoyed this legal right.

“No remedy is available to a superior court judge. The decision of the Supreme Judicial Council (SJC) becomes the final word against him and he is left with no option but to bow down. We will raise this question in the future,” said Justice Khalilur Rehman Ramday, head of the 13-member full court hearing the CJP’s and other petitions against the presidential reference and the composition of the SJC.

Barrister Aitzaz Ahsan, the CJP’s lead lawyer, said a clerk or peon had not only the right to appeal but also could not be suspended without a statutory provision.

Justice Ramday said, “The bench may like to recommend the right to appeal for a judge before the full court.” He said there was no margin for error in the SJC. “What is the guarantee that SJC will deliver a perfect finding with no error?” he said.

Ahsan argued that the SJC had a very limited scope. “It is not even competent to pass a judgement, but only to compile a report on its findings, so how can it suspend a CJP?” he said.

Justice Ramday said he hoped the case would end in a “win-win situation”. Ahsan said one party would have to lose. Justice Ramday responded: “It is my wish that the nation and country should be victorious in this battle and no individual should be defeated.”

Ahsan argued that Article 209 of the Constitution did not provide for an emergency meeting of the SJC, as was done in the CJP’s case. “An unholy haste was witnessed in the suspension of the petitioner,” he said.

Ahsan said the main charge against the Benazir Bhutto government, dismissed on August 6, 1990, was interference with judicial affairs. “I repeat that the executive has no right to interfere with the judiciary. The time has come for you to protect your rights against the executive,” he told the court.

He questioned the composition and competence of the SJC, saying some of its members were biased. Justice Ramday said the question of biased judges had been discussed in the open court in the Justice Ikhlaq Hussain and Malik Asad Ali cases.

Justice Faqeer Hussain Khokhar said bias and an allegation seeking a judge’s disqualification were two different things which could not be heard in an open court.

Ahsan said the LHC chief justice, an SJC member, was openly against the CJP. “I gave 18-hour arguments in the SJC but the said judge did not bother to take a single note. Malice was reflected on his face,” he said.

Ahsan was on the rostrum when the bench rose to meet again today.

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if the cj's son was inducted illegally...or if the cj was appointed the cj of pakistan ignoring the seniority (justice falak sher)...then what merit exists in pakistan under the all so clean (mush and shortcut aziz)...where 95% of the ministers are either terrorists or wanted by nab...

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^^ exactly..people accept murders of 12 as Governor of sindh...but not CJ..strange !!!!!!!!

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Silly Billy

He should be consistent.

** If he is wanting to uphold the rule of law etc, then he should apologise for swearing an oath on Musharraf's PCO, validating the military coup, and allowing him amend the constitution singlehandedly. **

I fully agree.

**Hypocrite.

**Shouldn't it be reson enough for you to deify him? As I've noticed here that guile and hypocrisy are the human traits you people most appreciate.

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I gather you mean Bilal Musharraf?
Is there even a comparison?
Bilal is a graduate in Actuarial Sciences, pursuing SOA examinations as well as studying at Stanford for an MBA and has work experience in some of the finest firms.
In Boston, or anywhere else at all in the US, any luxuries he's enjoying are his own.

Altaf Hussain - The Champion of Women's rights in Pakistan
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That was my info. I thought to find some info on any website to validate it and here’s what the LUMS website says;

http://sse.lums.edu.pk/project_team.htm#top
Bilal Musharraf
Bilal Musharraf completed his B.S. in Actuarial Science from University of Illinois at Urbana Champaign in 1994. After graduation, he worked five years as an actuarial analyst for AIB in Boston, pricing and reserving automobile insurance (1994-1999). In 2000 he joined Watson Wyatt Worldwide (NYSE: WW) in Boston as an actuarial consultant, providing liability valuation analysis of employee benefit plans (Medical, Pension, Options) to the Fortune 1000 companies. He is currently a 2007 dual degree MBA/MA(Education) candidate at the Stanford Graduate School of Business and the Stanford University School of Education.

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Bilal's uncle, Naveed Musharraf, a dotor in Chicago has paid for his expenses in past during is Illinois days. since then he is working so is more than able to provide for himself.

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so...its mean..all our generals ..who are kings of of real estate ....and gwadar lands are angels...only CJ son...is creating "disturbance" in "UTOPIA of pakistan !!!!!!

Is haleem
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General Musharraf is blind over his mate Real Estate Kings...Corp Commanders etc...why ?????????

Is haleem
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http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\05\26\story_26-5-2007_pg3_1

Editorial: CJP case: conspiracy or movement?

President General Pervez Musharraf said on Thursday that the recent political violence over the suspension of Pakistan’s chief justice was the result of a conspiracy by “certain elements” to stoke ethnic tensions. He focused on the killings that took place in Karachi on May 12 and tried to play down the real contours of what happened by saying, not too convincingly, that the parties involved in the violence were in the process of reconciling their differences.

There is no doubt that the president is minimising the enormity of what has been happening in Pakistan over the past two months. This not-too-subtle masking of reality by General Musharraf is understandable but it becomes worrisome if it leads the government to misconstrue what is in fact going on in the country. **The president must grasp clearly the forces his faulty policies have unleashed before he can think of formulating a policy of remedy. Dismissing the phenomenon as “conspiracy by certain elements” will not do at all.
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A conspiracy transpires when some unpopular elements secretly plan the overthrow of an order established by someone favoured by the people at large. They plan their mischief secretly because they know that their action will arouse antipathy among the masses. Conspiracy is also raised on the fertile soil of disinformation resulting in misunderstanding and misguidance. Let us now see what forces are active in Pakistan against the order established by President Musharraf, and whether any conspiracy is detectable in them.

There are two much-reported phenomena one must first deal with. There is rebellion against the writ of the state in the tribal areas and the NWFP since 2003, which has resulted in loss of territory in the case of Waziristan where an “Islamic government” is already enforcing its own law and collecting revenue from the people. In other areas, smaller satrapies are being ruled by warlords pretending to be upholders of the sharia, and their rule is now old enough to become legitimate in the eyes of law. If General Musharraf had taken action under law against them it would have been easy to call these satrapies illegitimate. But now they challenge the legitimacy of the president and his government.

The second category of disturbance is called insurgency and it is unfolding in Balochistan. It began as a disturbance in the Bugti area which was mishandled by the government. The conditions created by the government action in the already neglected and alienated province forced the ruling party to “talk” to the Baloch political leaders. The result of these negotiations was a Senate Committee Report embodying a consensus. But President Musharraf was unwilling to implement it. Instead the promised “quick and surgical” strike in Balochistan has now become a running sore. What was a protest has become an insurgency with a clearly separatist agenda.

We now come to the third category. How should we describe the nation-wide reaction to the dismissal of the chief justice of Pakistan by a military uniform-clad president? Decades ago, after Pakistan had developed into a socially complex economic entity, one was forced to come to the conclusion that mass movements and — even less — mass uprisings were no longer possible because of the ability of the state to simply ignore the damage to public property they inflicted and because of the much-diminished capacity of the masses to absent themselves from work. Since 1999, all efforts by President Musharraf’s opposition to mobilise the masses had consistently failed. It seemed that the season of the “million marches” was over. But the dismissal of the chief justice of Pakistan triggered a popular movement against President Musharraf. It would be wrong to say that it was a sudden boiling over of the political pot. It would be correct to say that it was the last critical rise in the temperature already created by President Musharraf’s steady failure to accomplish any of the things he had promised. A movement cannot come into being unless people from all walks of life approve it and all political parties in the opposition join it.* Unlike an insurgency, a movement remains peaceful unless the state misjudges it and tries to handle it with violence. Yet, a movement is more dangerous than an insurgency.
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President Musharraf is face to face with a movement. Of course, it should also be noted that all actors on the political stage wish to exploit the movement and turn it to their advantage. One should note too that even the clerics of Lal Masjid in Islamabad constantly make reference to it while defying the writ of the state in Islamabad. The Lal Masjid dispute began in 2005 but the clerics adopted the strategy of violence only after the movement had taken off.

Therefore it is now up to President Musharraf to take the right decision about his future. A first step would be to recognise the reality of popular dissent and not be fooled into thinking it is a conspiracy of the few against him.

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Its quite clear the government is taking a hammering in the supreme court - their case is based on bias to begin with - and on top of that, their lawyers are all in it for the money, no one wanted to defend the government to begin with, they all came once they were 'bought' but even then, the top lawyers are all arguing in favor of the CJ, and the govt is left with a bunch of corrupt and inefficient people arguing a case that has no merits to begin with.

Its definately looking like the Supreme Court will eventually have the courage to stand behind their CJ - which means the govt is heading for some serious trouble.

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^^ have you not pondering over the daily comments of Justice Ramdai and his co. judges during the trial ....they openly saying that for 60 years..we lived under Nazria Zaroorat...now its time to come out the vicious circle of Tameez-ud Din Case....

Fakhrud-ud-Din Ibraheem Jee..very fanous and geniune layyer yesterday said that....a gun man comes and start ruling this country...lets this natak be stopped once for all...