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**I got this in my mail.....is it ALL true?...like to hear your opinion...:)....some of them I heard before while some are new to me.....:)......are they from the hadith?*
"Rasulullah S.A.W. said "Jannat lies under the feet of
your mother"
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This one I have heard all my life. I've heard some of the other ones, but most are new to me.
[QUOTE] Originally posted by little human: *
Me too..:)
**PakistaniAbroad* .....why's that so?...:)
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Well little human it's cuz all these 'sayings' are considered 'true' just on the basis of some earlier people's 'opinions'. I am at the liberty to exercise my judgement and not accept them just like they were at a liberty to declare them true.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion. But a scientist's opinion of another scientist's work is more credible than the unqualified opinion of a layperson. Or is that just stating the obvious?
Collecting unwritten and unverified accounts and declaring them "historically accurate" and/or "divinely truthful" or otherwise based on other unverified accounts is NOT a science... it employs a circular logic and is certainly a matter of opinion.. not empirical certainty.
Had it been a science, the results would be repeatable and every subsequent 'collection' would have arrived at the same set of narrations... which is obviously not the case here.
and u suggest that every person living at the time of the prophet heard each an every word he said, and different people did not meet him at different places and hear different words from him????
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*Originally posted by armughal: *
and u suggest that every person living at the time of the prophet heard each an every word he said, and different people did not meet him at different places and hear different words from him????
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I suggest nothing of the sort..
All I'm saying is that it's a matter of opinion when you choose to accept narrations as true or false. None of the compilers were alive to witness the 'character' of people they deem 'every truthful' and accept whatever is attributed to them.. not to mention being careless in passing along single witness reports; seems quite contrary to the spirit of islam which stresses on being careful about information, writing things down and having witnesses.
Collecting unwritten and unverified accounts and declaring them "historically accurate" and/or "divinely truthful" or otherwise based on other unverified accounts is NOT a science... it employs a circular logic and is certainly a matter of opinion.. not empirical certainty.
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And you can prove the Qur'an by all these criteria? Oh, i forgot, you've been asked that before and promptly jumped ship. Never mind.
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*Had it been a science, the results would be repeatable and every subsequent 'collection' would have arrived at the same set of narrations... which is obviously not the case here. *
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*Originally posted by Iqbal1089: *
And you can prove the Qur'an by all these criteria? Oh, i forgot, you've been asked that before and promptly jumped ship. Never mind.
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what has the Qur'an to do with this discussion?? the last time it was brought up I had provided the same response.. you cannot prove hadith true by pointing to any gaps in the collection of qur'an.
I accept Qur'an as a matter of faith, not science.... there is no hard evidence with me to prove it's 'divine' nature. I would appreciate if hadith believes should start accepting them as an 'opinion' of early scholars too and not divine writ.
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I see you've back peddled on this one already.
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how come?? you are also aware that Bukahris and Muslims collections do not match.
what has the Qur'an to do with this discussion?? the last time it was brought up I had provided the same response.. you cannot prove hadith true by pointing to any gaps in the collection of qur'an.
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It does show, and i have mentioned this before, that you aren't prepared to submit your own beliefs to the very same criteria by which you want to test the faith of others. {Woe to those that deal in fraud. Those who, when they have to receive by measure from men, demand it full. But when they have to give by measure or weight to men, give less than due.} (83:1-3)
[quote] I accept Qur'an as a matter of faith, not science.... there is no hard evidence with me to prove it's 'divine' nature. I would appreciate if hadith believes should start accepting them as an 'opinion' of early scholars too and not divine writ.
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That's it? That's your defence? In other words, you admit that the Qur'an is also nothing more than "an opinion of early scholars". You can't prove the Qur'an just as you say others can't prove hadith. How wonderful. Have you always disregarded the idiom: "People who live in glass houses should not throw stones"?
[quote] how come?? you are also aware that Bukahris and Muslims collections do not match.
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armughal already partially addressed this, after which you promptly back peddled.
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these sayings r quoted from different narrators and r words of the prophet Muhammad (pbuh)....
Salallahu-Alayhi-Wasallam is arabic for "peace and blessings be upon him"....
whenever a muslim mentions the prophet, he is obliged to add this prayer....
also the same obligation is put down in Quran.... Quran 33:56 Lo! Allah and His angels shower blessings on the Prophet. O ye who believe! Ask blessings on him and salute him with a worthy salutation.