...Say: I do not ask of you any reward

[Kaka_MaNNa]

Re: ...Say: I do not ask of you any reward

@smma59

do you know translation of sura e munafiqeen? perhaps not? why you people do not want to obey quran?

why you insult respectable translator of quran like Abdullah Yusuf Ali, Marmaduke Pickthall and M H Shakir by Religion.

why? Please explain the verse and for rest start seperate thread. if you do not know plz do not reply..

wassalam

Stop creating and inventing LIES! STOP IT FOR FREAKS SAKE! STOP creating and inventing lies in every thread! STOP IT! STOP Creating and Inventing LIES in every thread!!!

Stop creating and inventing LIES! STOP IT FOR FREAKS SAKE! STOP creating and inventing lies in every thread! STOP IT! STOP Creating and Inventing LIES in every thread!!!

Stop creating and inventing LIES! STOP IT FOR FREAKS SAKE! STOP creating and inventing lies in every thread! STOP IT! STOP Creating and Inventing LIES in every thread!!!

Stop creating and inventing LIES! STOP IT FOR FREAKS SAKE! STOP creating and inventing lies in every thread! STOP IT! STOP Creating and Inventing LIES in every thread!!!

Stop creating and inventing LIES! STOP IT FOR FREAKS SAKE! STOP creating and inventing lies in every thread! STOP IT! STOP Creating and Inventing LIES in every thread!!!

Stop creating and inventing LIES! STOP IT FOR FREAKS SAKE! STOP creating and inventing lies in every thread! STOP IT! STOP Creating and Inventing LIES in every thread!!!
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Now to your latest lie, tell me where did I (we) insult the translators? You liar.

You invent lie in front everyone, whole world and you are not ashamed?

Ma Mooli, who is quick to edit my posts and often deletes 'em, has let this dog on a loose leash to disturb threads, create a mess in every thread, create LIES and attribute them to gupshup members who are here for peaceful discussions rather than creating fights because this loser does not stop creating lies to support his argument?**

I (we) have already given you the answer and read my posts and replies in this thread and here is one of them:

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You show your love to the family of the prophet by:

Loving them by following their footstep and the way they practiced Islam and to help them when in need. Of course, we don't know who is the relative of the prophet today so we can only love them and show our respect by FOLLOWING in their footstep and follow islam like they did.

How many shia's today are following footsteps of Hazrat Ali?

How many shia ladies today are following the way Hazrat Fatima lived her life?

Sorry, I couldn't give you what you were looking for, again. Busted!
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[smma59]

Re: …Say: I do not ask of you any reward

@AllahkaBanda

Do you see the differences of translation between 1st 2 scholars and your own shia scholar? I’ve bolded those parts. The words “kin/relatives” isn’t that important because the relatives mentioned here aren’t the one you think they are. That’s why i kindly told you to read tafsir ibn kathir regarding this ayah. Me and another brother has already explaind you but you’re one who’s failing to understand its true meaning and being stubborn regarding your faith. Please tell me what is the point of posting this particular ayah? What do you want to prove here?

**You expect me to argue with you when you already believe that the people who replied already aren’t true muslim.
**

I know there is small difference in translation of like “**near of kin"near relatives” and **** kinsfolk and if you know arabic you will realise meaning of all these three are more or less same.

Plz tell me who is shia and who is sunni and who is wahabi among these three if you know?

Now discuss on three words because all muslims accepted translation of these theree…**Abdullah Yusuf Ali, Marmaduke Pickthall and M H Shakir
How Satan, the Master Hypnotist, hypnotizes humanity

wasslam

[AllahkaBanda]

Re: …Say: I do not ask of you any reward

@smma59

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Plz tell me who is shia and who is sunni and who is wahabi among these three if you know?**
wasslam

don’t just post extra links here when yourself is avoiding to face the truth and in fact aren’t accpeting it. You’re the one who repating himself over and over again “obey Allah and follow Quran” when you’re the one who isn’t accepting the truth.

by reading your posts i can tell that you’re a shia and finally revealing your true face by posting these ayahs which means totally different than what you think.

You wanted the explaination regarding this vers here it is from tafsir ibn kathir with suppor of ahadith. If you truely believe in Quran and ahadith then after reading what i’m going to post you wouldn’t argue and must follow what is the truth and don’t question the credbility of the source.

ذَلِكَ الَّذِى يُبَشِّرُ اللَّهُ عِبَادَهُ الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ وَعَمِلُواْ الصَّـلِحَـتِ

(That is whereof Allah gives glad tidings to His servants who believe and do righteous good deeds.) meaning, this will undoubtedly come to them, because it is glad tidings from Allah to them.

قُل لاَّ أَسْـَلُكُمْ عَلَيْهِ أَجْراً إِلاَّ الْمَوَدَّةَ فِى الْقُرْبَى

(Say: "No reward do I ask of you for this except to be kind to me for my kinship with you.‘’) means, say, O Muhammad, to these idolators among the disbeliever of Quraysh: I do not ask you for anything in return for this message and sincere advice which I bring to you. All I ask of you is that you withhold your evil from me and let me convey the Messages of my Lord. If you will not help me, then do not disturb me, for the sake of the ties of kinship that exist between you and I.' Al-Bukhari recorded that Ibn Abbas, may Allah be pleased with him, was asked about the Ayah:

إِلاَّ الْمَوَدَّةَ فِى الْقُرْبَى

(except to be kind to me for my kinship with you.) Said bin Jubayr said, "To be kind to the family of Muhammad.'' Ibn Abbas said, "No, you have jumped to a hasty conclusion. There was no clan among Quraysh to whom the Prophet did not have some ties of kinship.‘’ Ibn `Abbas said, "Except that you uphold the ties of kinship that exist between me and you.‘’ This was recorded by Al-Bukhari. It was also recorded by Imam Ahmad with a different chain of narration.

وَمَن يَقْتَرِفْ حَسَنَةً نَّزِدْ لَهُ فِيهَا حُسْناً

(And whoever earns a good righteous deed, We shall give him an increase of good in respect thereof) means, `whoever does a good deed, We will increase him in good for it, i.e., in reward.’ This is like the Ayah:

إِنَّ اللَّهَ لاَ يَظْلِمُ مِثْقَالَ ذَرَّةٍ وَإِن تَكُ حَسَنَةً يُضَـعِفْهَا وَيُؤْتِ مِن لَّدُنْهُ أَجْراً عَظِيماً

(Surely, Allah wrongs not even of the weight of a speck of dust, but if there is any good, He doubles it, and gives from Him a great reward.) (4:40)

إِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ شَكُورٌ

(Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Ready to appreciate.) means, He forgives many bad deeds and increases a small amount of good deeds; He conceals and forgives sins and He multiplies and increases the reward of good deeds.

If you don’t believe in my words please download tafsir ibn kathir from here and check it by yourself.

http://esnips.com/web/altafsir

May Allah Subhaanhu Wa Ta’ala send tons of blessing on Prophet :saw: and his family’s graves and grant them best places in jannah and curse those who hate, mock and hurt them and curse also those who created their own texts and related to those holy people.

[smma59]

Re: …Say: I do not ask of you any reward

Salam,

everybody who have mind knows that so called muslims like banda do not have any answers of questions except slandering and insulting others. In fact that man is here not to discuss in quranic manners but only to abuse and insult others,

once more i ask ** Now discuss on three words because all muslims accepted translation of these theree…**Abdullah Yusuf Ali, Marmaduke Pickthall and M H Shakir
How Satan, the Master Hypnotist, hypnotizes humanity

if do not i had written an aritlicle for people like you , read..

wassalam

[AllahkaBanda]

Re: ...Say: I do not ask of you any reward

Allahhu Akbar! Honestly, i don't know what to say. 1st you ask for the explaination and when it's provided you don't accept it. How about now you provide me the explaination regarding this ayah from your source and then, inshAllah, i'll do the comparison with mine and see which is more authenticated.

Tafsir ibna Kathir is the most authenticated tafsir of Quran among muslims from centuries, so please don't question its credbility. I'm sorry, i couldn't find false info that's what you want and the reason why you still argue!

[smma59]

Re: …Say: I do not ask of you any reward

@AllahkaBanda

Allahhu Akbar! Honestly, i don’t know what to say. 1st you ask for the explaination and when it’s provided you don’t accept it. How about now you provide me the explaination regarding this ayah from your source and then, inshAllah, i’ll do the comparison with mine and see which is more authenticated.

Tafsir ibna Kathir is the most authenticated tafsir of Quran among muslims from centuries, so please don’t question its credbility. I’m sorry, i couldn’t find false info that’s what you want and the reason why you still argue!

so once more you insult Abdullah Yusuf Ali, Marmaduke Pickthall and M H Shakir and declaring them liers by not accepting their translations..

If you are an honest muslim plz give me translation of this verse 42"23 from your source and then discuss…

As you know i collected words **near of kin"near relatives" and **** kinsfolk

I also collected one more translator M asad and he translated like this..
**Say [O Prophet]: “No reward do I ask of you for this [message] other than [that you should] love **your fellow-men.”
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So now fee alqurba word translated as your fellow-men. **near of kin"near relatives" and **** kinsfolk

Al the translation is verified and from muslims sourse like http://www.islamicity.com and i am sure that website is of our sunni brother and the same br. jaan lewa recommended.

Now if you have any other translation plz present otherwise discuss who
are. fellow-men. near of kin"near relatives" and **** kinsfolk and if you do not have knowledge plz stop sending messeges like ignorants.

wassalam
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[AllahkaBanda]

Re: ...Say: I do not ask of you any reward

^Please for God's sake stop aruging blindly and stop changing your words. This is what you said in very 1st post

** If any member can explain this verse (Shuara 42:23)

again you said in post # 19
** Still i am waiting for a member (true muslim) who can explain these verses

What does "explain" mean? Not exact translation of the aya'h but background and more information regarding this ayah. And for your info i was the one who provided you the translation from Yusuf Ali (May Allah be please with him) because there was something wrong with wording of the transaltion you provided.

** so once more you insult Abdullah Yusuf Ali, Marmaduke Pickthall and M H Shakir and declaring them liers by not accepting their translations**

Where did you get this from?

** If you are an honest muslim plz give me translation of this verse 42"23 from your source and then discuss

check my post # 16 where i posted english translation Yusuf Ali (May Allah be please with him). But didn't you want the **explaination regarding that verse not just the translation of the ayah?

Please read my post # 23 again and stop this on going argument. Once you say something else and in next post you change your words!

The problem is that the explaination i provided doesn't satisfy your desires, means the aya'h doesn't talk about the relatives you want it to be addressing. Therefore, you're repeating yourself over and over and over and over again which doesn't make any sense.