well this is one and probably the only one reason i would side with saudi arabia…islam and only islam :k: :k: in saudi arabia, that is.
Moona
Islam, saudi arabia? its easy for you to say sitting in north east US. go there and check it out for yourself. right after landing they will make you dress like batman (there is no religious justification for that) and by the way..you dont get to drive..so toss that drivers license.
KSA is a lame ass country that needs to evolve.
Fraudz, I’m not refuting your point at all. I know what KSA is all about. I lived there a year of my youth as my dad was posted there as Project Manager of one of his engineering projects through the American company he was working with at the time…this was back in '81-'82. Also, I have family who lives there.
KSA is definitely a lame excuse for an Islamic country. They treat women like dog-do there and all outsiders are considered 2nd class citizens whether they are muslim or not. My aunt, her hubby, and their kids have lived in Riyadh for well over 20 years and have no say in becoming citizens as my aunt and uncle were not born in KSA and are not of Arab descent. Mash’allah uncle has an awesome $$$ job as Finance Director of a multinational company, and that is the only reason they’re there or else they admit that they’d be the first to leave.
My point simply was that if KSA promotes Islam and shows it through action and legislation on what to allow/what not to allow re: other religions and their practices, infrastructure, etc., then to me, that sounds fine. However, KSA isn’t exactly practicing proper form of Islam to begin with itself! Kings and princes being allowed to drink and have sex with multiple women is ok but not so for the rest of KSA’s inhabitants? The last in my book, I thought this was hypocrisy and perversion.
KSA needs a wake up call desperately!!!
Of course the Saudis allow Churches on their land.
What do you think the American Bases are?
Do the Saudis not worship the Americans who are predominantly Christians!
So you see, the bases are in reality Churches!
i wish u ppl wud stop thinking like what the jew-controlled media wishes u to think like....
the media goes about saying all bad things about muslims and u take them as facts....
and these days defaming saudi arabia is their top most agenda....
but as always we muslims sit and point at each other....
its not the saudis who need a wake up call....
its u muslims who put yourselves in non-muslim lands and then come up with topics like these just to safeguard ur own interests and avoid any such retalliation from the non-muslims government in the land u chose to live in just to gain worldly benefits....
how many of u have actually been to saudi arabia and witnessed what goes on there????
and how many of u just follow blindly what the media throws at u????
armughal, i'm the first to stick up for muslims worldwide but i have seen practices in saudi arabia firsthand that allow me to comment the way i do.
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**its not the saudis who need a wake up call....*
and why not? because they are a model country? by any standard?
*how many of u have actually been to saudi arabia and witnessed what goes on there????
and how many of u just follow blindly what the media throws at u???? *
let me see, moona already noted that she was there for a short time.
err I grew up there, I have uncles who lived there, and others who still are there. Oh yeah and it was not for some love of the land, but due to economic opportunities that people went there. For those who moved to Saudi after Pakistan, of course it was an improvement, clean roads, not being affected by rampant corruption in daily life, peace , prosperity etc etc.
Saudi Arabia in general does a gfood job of maintaining law and order, one thing that pakistanis who go there notice about it, but the place has real issues.
Allowing people to worship their religion should not be an issue at all. Let people build their places of worship and live their life.
as far as witnessing what goes on there, i was there for enough time and other family members that even those who liek saudi arabia and are there have noted the types of issues that persist there.
"geeez.. Micky D's is just a stupid restaurant for kids.. it's not as if Satan incarnate set up office in Makkah"
I guess you've never had a McRib sandwich then... it's pure evil
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My point simply was that if KSA promotes Islam and shows it through action and legislation on what to allow/what not to allow re: other religions and their practices, infrastructure, etc., then to me, that sounds fine.
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Is that what Islam dictates - to restrict the practice of other religions? And that sounds fine to you? How would you feel if the Catholics in the NE USA misinterpreted Christianity and did not allow you the freedom to practice Islam?
seminole, u quotes moon'a one response, but did not read her response to my post where she basically agreed to teh lameness of saudis.
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Just out of curiosity - have you tried reading the Quran from beginning to end...?
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Yes I have, Why should I have been Inspired?...........
Nadia, Why do you always end up answering defensively? I don't mind if you pick out verses out of the Bible here for debate. ( like it's never happened here before..) that's what the whole idea of inter-faith dialogue is about... is'nt it?
If in the process of scanning, you come across Jesus saying we should expel the people who don't share our belief, or any other "superficial" understandings you derive, share it here so together we can uncover the true face of christianity. OK
until then, chill out.
b
is it true if you take a bible or wear a cross it will be confisticated
at the airport?
Thank you, Fraudz. Seminole, I'm not sure how to directly answer your question without sounding like a hypocrite. America is democractic and the Constitution guarantees religious freedom among other freedoms, which is exactly why some people flock to this country (ie. to escape religious persecution and the like). However, this is not the belief nor practice of a country like KSA. So, as such, I feel that KSA is entitled to its beliefs and practices no matter what they are. If this includes segregating Islam in that country by limiting other religions to thrive there, then so be it.
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Thank you, Fraudz. Seminole, I'm not sure how to directly answer your question without sounding like a hypocrite. America is democractic and the Constitution guarantees religious freedom among other freedoms, which is exactly why some people flock to this country (ie. to escape religious persecution and the like). However, this is not the belief nor practice of a country like KSA. So, as such, I feel that KSA is entitled to its beliefs and practices no matter what they are. If this includes segregating Islam in that country by limiting other religions to thrive there, then so be it.
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ultimatley no country wants its population to be devided in to
30% of religen A ,30% of religen B and rest religen C since
it will not be viable country.
Moona
your basic argument is that a bit skewed i.e. if saudis think its right for them then they should do it..what if what they think is right is wrong?
its liek saying, you may be a good person and thus not harm people, but since a gang member has a different philosophy he is entitled to go shoot ppl?
what's wrong is wrong, period.
Saudis in this respect are completely off base and really need to evolve.
blitz
are we just talking new testament or the old testament too?
regards
Fraudz, I beg to differ. You see, this isn't exactly a good vs. bad argument. It's a bit different. The issue is of a country's basic tenants. If in fact KSA allows only and only Islam within its borders, then there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Why? Because the country is free to decide as it wishes re: issues relating to it. It has that basic right as an independent nation just as the US has the basic right to decide its laws concerning religion. Of course in the case of the US, religious freedom is a basic freedom. Not so in KSA. I equally respect the practices and views of both nations on this topic.
Moona, if you feel it's all right for countries to restrict religions, would it be all right for them to restrict races? Why or why not?
Moona, beg all you want :p
however, the basis that KSA uses to impose there rule is that its sanctioned by Islam.
There are immediate conflicts in theri argument rigth away. if they had run teh country as islam suggests, there will be no kings :) additionally people of other religions will be able to practice their religion in their religious centers.
so the basic tenant of KSA is not rooted in Islam and they cant put that forth as their argument.
If you are saying that every country has a right to do what it chooses within its borders than, I along with countless others as well as amnesty international and other human righst groups will disagree with you.
but you can feel free to differ.
underthedome, not at all because IT'S NOT THE SAME THING!!!