Those US troops are not nationals, they are not citizens of the KSA, they have a make shift arrangemenmt for there needs, they are not permanent ppl-so a permanent church is not needed.
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What would be our personal reaction, sitting in Canada or any other nonMuslim country, if we were informed that it was against Canadian (or American) federal laws to construct a mosque anywhere in the whole country. It would be a case of discrimination against religion, and rightly so. Why not just even allow construction of **one* church?
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if there is any such law, then sister, ask urself what u r doing in that country....
wud worldy benefit too important for u that u cant even migrate to any muslim land????
It seems they are insecure more than anything.
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No, thankfully there is no such law in Canada. Last Ramadan i went for Taraweeh prayers at a mosque within my neighbourhood, no problems whatsoever. i have lived on the east coast and i think we have mosques all over Canada, in almost every major city.
Only for the sake of being able to empathize with nonMuslims in Saudi Arabia, i was trying to make us imagine how we would feel if we were told by the Canadian/British/etc. govts. that constructing mosques was not allowed. It would make us, rightfully, indignant. Same thing applies for nonMuslims in Saudi Arabia who are not given the right to construct their houses of worship. It’s not fair, they should have the right to worship as they choose with their respective houses of worship - synagogue, temple, church, etc.
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How many mosques in the Vatican City? Or Lourdes? Not every place on earth is happy clappy and shary.
I would like to knw if there is any Islamic state functioning as per Islamic basic teachings
I find it very discomforting in this particular issue to be comparing with the Vatican or anyone else for that matter. It's about giving someone a right to build their prayer house!
Religious & civil doctrine should be based on principal, not on tit for tat retaliatory basis.
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Religious & civil doctrine should be based on principal, not on tit for tat retaliatory basis.
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Sahih Muslim Hadith 4366
Narrated by Umar ibn al-Khattab
Umar heard the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) say: I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslims...
Al-Muwatta Hadith
Hadith 45.17
The Expulsion of the Jews from Madina
Yahya related to me from Malik from Ismail ibn Abi Hakim that he heard Umar ibn Abd al-Aziz say, "One of the last things that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said was, 'May Allah fight the Jews and the Christians. They took the graves of their Prophets as places of prostration . Two deens shall not co-exist in the land of the Arabs.'"
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I don't like the Wahabis in Saudi Arabia BUT I have to be fair and say they have done some good things too and not allowing churches in the Land of the Two Holy Sanctuaries and the blessed land (the whole region is blessed including Syria/Lebanon/Yemen) which was purified by the footsteps of Our Master and leigelord, the Prince of the Universes, sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam, is a good and correct thing. Lets hope they kick out the US troops soon as well insha Allah.
See Arabia does NOT claim to be a secular state like eg Canada where all religions (or none) are, in theory, equal before the State. It is explicitly an Islamic State and in Islamic Law it is the rule that any existing churches are not to be destroyed but they are not allowed to be refurbished either and no new ones to be built. Since, I'd imagine, there were none in Arabia to begin with, the Saudis are (for once!) following Islamic Law by not allowing new churches to be built!
I think it is also scandalous that they allowed McDonalds to be built in Makkah Sharif (I have heard not seen as haven't been their yet unfortunately)! They defiled the Holy Place...may Allah make them see sense...Imam Hamza Yusuf mentioned this in one of his talks and began to cry he was so upset that there was a McDs in Makkah Muazzamah...
O and they should stop persecuting non Wahabi scholars too and stop the destruction of the Holy shrines...
blitz,
If the Hadiths are the 'true & authentic' traditions of the Holy Prophet (saw) then why he himself & his rightly guided followers didn't peruse that commandment?
geeez.. Micky D’s is just a stupid restaurant for kids.. it’s not as if Satan incarnate set up office in Makkah 
Follow the law of the land ......
They choose their own laws, its their land ......
U follow them ......
Simple ........
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I don't thing anyone proposed erecting a church right next to that thing at Mecca that everybody does laps around.
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next to that thing that everyone does laps around?
take a minute to think before u go saying stuff.
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Follow the law of the land ......
They choose their own laws, its their land ......
U follow them ......
Simple ........
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sure. however if they claim to be using islamic laws, they should allow people to openly and freely practice their religion.
Otherwise quit claiming that they are following islamic laws but that they are using parts of islamic laws to support their bedouin, tribal, backward, chauvanistic and prejudiced views.
simple..
btw, we can still complain about them and not agree with them even if they stop parading their idiotic approach as being supported by religion.
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Sahih Muslim Hadith 4366
Narrated by Umar ibn al-Khattab
Umar heard the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) say: I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslims...
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Perhaps, i think we should all study a little bit more about Islam and its principles vis-a-vis the treatment of nonMuslims. A good introductory book is Karen Armstrong's Muhammad - a biograpy of the Prophet.
Stupid Saudi govt, they dont seem to have a problem allowing 10000 US troops in Saudia!....which will be used to kill muslims in Iraq!!
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If the Hadiths are the 'true & authentic' traditions of the Holy Prophet (saw) then why he himself & his rightly guided followers didn't peruse that commandment?
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ahmadjee, To a certain extent it was accomplished.
If the hadiths are not authentic, why don't the whole of the muslim world condem them ? (no pun intended)
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Perhaps, i think we should all study a little bit more about Islam and its principles vis-a-vis the treatment of nonMuslims. A good introductory book is Karen Armstrong's Muhammad - a biograpy of the Prophet.
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Nadia, Where else did Ms. Armsrong get her source materials for that book, if not from the hadiths?.......... Inspirations?
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Blitz, there are a number of people here that have showed you that they do not believe that these hadiths are correct. Why is that not enough for you to believe that these hadiths hold little weight? Why does everything have o be oficialy condemned for the benefit of answeringislam.org?
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Nadia, Where else did Ms. Armsrong get her source materials for that book, if not from the hadiths?.......... Inspirations?
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Blitz, it is interesting how you use selective quotes. i wonder what type of superficial "understanding" i would derive of Christianity, were i to close my eyes, randomly turn pages from the Old Testament, and pull out a quote providing no background/contextual comments whatsoever. What sort of "understanding" would i gain of Christianity if i did this?
Just out of curiosity - have you tried reading the Quran from beginning to end...?