Saudis want more Pakistani troops in KSA to save them from ISIS

[hanibal]

Re: Saudis want more Pakistani troops in KSA to save them from ISIS

Let Pakistan army secure our country first. The groups which are attacking us include JEM, TTP and LEJ etc, the government doesnt have the will to take on them but will go and fight on foreign fronts as mercenaries?

Every now and then we are getting attacked and and still thinking of poking our noses into the affairs of others? Let Saudia deal with the monsters they have created, let me put it this way IS is a karma for them.

ISIS have clear intentions to enter Pakistan, they have not made is hidden anyway, they are in touch with all the terrorist outfits and want them to become their franchise, what is your suggestion here??? let them get the funds from ISIS now, who have daily income of about USD 3 million or so???

Please keep this BS of securing your country first, if you want to secure your country you need to hunt down the terrorist, and now when you are getting a chance and you have got the ability to do so, you are advising them to shy away and later when they have dozens of terrorists outfits working for them then you'll be happy to cut the leaves and leave the roots healthier...

[Ali_Syed]

Re: Saudis want more Pakistani troops in KSA to save them from ISIS

ISIS have clear intentions to enter Pakistan, they have not made is hidden anyway, they are in touch with all the terrorist outfits and want them to become their franchise, what is your suggestion here??? let them get the funds from ISIS now, who have daily income of about USD 3 million or so???

Please keep this BS of securing your country first, if you want to secure your country you need to hunt down the terrorist, and now when you are getting a chance and you have got the ability to do so, you are advising them to shy away and later when they have dozens of terrorists outfits working for them then you'll be happy to cut the leaves and leave the roots healthier...

I am sure now you'd support the notion of zia creating these monsters and musharrafs operations against them? both of them did it for securing Pakistan. Dollars were just a by product isn't it?

with terrorist sympathisers remaining untouched in the country it doesn't make any difference if alqaeda was their role model in the past, ISIS now and some other group tomorrow.

[hanibal]

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Its just funny how Pakistan always find a way to stay in the good books of both Saudi and US.. despite all the big bongi they keep on doing every time.

And what is more funny, despites one's hatred for US, they still sit in US.. and would like to make announcement of that... and still do not like US

and it is height of hypocrisy...

[Ali_Syed]

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Aswj and affiliates are the face of ISIS within Pakistan, informative article

Iran fears Isis militants are part of wider Sunni backlash | World news | The Guardian

[hanibal]

Re: Saudis want more Pakistani troops in KSA to save them from ISIS

I am sure now you'd support the notion of zia creating these monsters and musharrafs operations against them? both of them did it for securing Pakistan. Dollars were just a by product isn't it?

with terrorist sympathisers remaining untouched in the country it doesn't make any difference if alqaeda was their role model in the past, ISIS now and some other group tomorrow.

Your "Friend" (for some, friend here is oxymoron, please look for a dictionary, never knew had to write an explanation about it and would actually get an infraction by an educated mod... what a waste) BOKO HARAM get pledged with ISIS... and with Taliban talking peace with Afghan govt, TTP might not find any ground to live on... hence many terrorists outfit would be looking towards ISIS who have a daily income of USD 3 million or more.. ISIS have its agenda dead clear.... they are looking for the orphans in Pakistan

so what would be your choice??? Let ISIS fight us in Pakistan where at best we would be cutting the leaves and branches, while roots will get stronger and stronger by day??

or

keep crying

PS I hope this time i'll get an answer someone, with their weak grasp on language or on personal grudge would not found any other excuse to delete this post

[Ali_Syed]

Re: Saudis want more Pakistani troops in KSA to save them from ISIS

If the government is serious let them ban aswj, LEJ and lal masjid and seal their madrassahs including all others which are responsible for spreading sectarianism within the country. Without any meaningful action on this front, any action against foreign groups like ISIS (in foreign lands) would be akin to money grabbing at the expense of Pakistan which this government is expert at.

[hanibal]

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^^ you accuse me of running whilst you have no answer to ISIS problem in Pakistan

Normally you never had one... so nothing new..

[Ali_Syed]

Re: Saudis want more Pakistani troops in KSA to save them from ISIS

^ the answer to the problem is within Pakistan, end state patronage of terrorist groups which includes sectarian groups (allies of PMLN government).

[hanibal]

Re: Saudis want more Pakistani troops in KSA to save them from ISIS

^^ You mean the parties PTI/IK wanted to have office in KPK and till yesterday he was saying that he'll stop operation against TTP??? you mean them and their branches/

stop hiding and come clean...your hatred for PML-N or NS is making you say all this

[Captain1]

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And what is more funny, despites one's hatred for US, they still sit in US.. and would like to make announcement of that... and still do not like US

and it is height of hypocrisy...

So Pakistanis who hate Pakistani govts actions should go to some other country? Why do we have this silly notion "oh you hate this govt, leave the country"? Why can we not criticize a government without being labelled "country hater, get out"?

^^ you accuse me of running whilst** you have no answer to ISIS problem in Pakistan**

Normally you never had one... so nothing new..

I find the answer here, do you not find it one step in right direction?

If the government is serious let them ban aswj, LEJ and lal masjid and seal their madrassahs including all others which are responsible for spreading sectarianism within the country. Without any meaningful action on this front, any action against foreign groups like ISIS (in foreign lands) would be akin to money grabbing at the expense of Pakistan which this government is expert at.

[Ali_Syed]

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So Pakistanis who hate Pakistani govts actions should go to some other country? Why do we have this silly notion "oh you hate this govt, leave the country"? Why can we not criticize a government without being labelled "country hater, get out"?

There was a lot of hue and cry when Gillani uttered the same words.

[Ali_Syed]

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^^ You mean the parties PTI/IK wanted to have office in KPK and till yesterday he was saying that he'll stop operation against TTP??? you mean them and their branches/

stop hiding and come clean...your hatred for PML-N or NS is making you say all this

Oh well, i must admit that you have a valid point here. Since Pti asked for a office of taliban PMLN government is also justified in keeping allies of ISIS as their chums...

[Ali_Syed]

Re: Saudis want more Pakistani troops in KSA to save them from ISIS

The main reason for Pakistans woes is the confusion surrounding our taliban policy, who are the good or bad taliban? This confusion has only provided space to the militants. IF Pakistan military takes on ISIS in the Middle East while giving space to their allies in Pakistan, it would only be an extension of the current policies. As a result do not expect different results to what we have now...

[hanibal]

Re: Saudis want more Pakistani troops in KSA to save them from ISIS

wrong post

[hanibal]

Re: Saudis want more Pakistani troops in KSA to save them from ISIS

So Pakistanis who hate Pakistani govts actions should go to some other country? Why do we have this silly notion "oh you hate this govt, leave the country"? Why can we not criticize a government without being labelled "country hater, get out"?

another debate another time

I find the answer here, do you not find it one step in right direction?

For how long you are going to cut the leaves and branches??? before these were fueled by our agencies in name of Jihad and to destroy, once that was over, they found new father... Taliban.. now that Taliban is discussing peace norms with Afghan Govt... and Pak Army disowning them and tightening screw around them... they are looking for New Father.. and who'd be better then ISIS???

They have non-stop income, they neighbor to Syria, Iraq and Lebanon which makes them secure! Turkey supports them because they are Anti-Syrian and are fighting with Kurds ( as we did supported ASWJ to fight baloch insurgents), Israel is happy that all the attention has been taken away from them and no body talk about their and GAZA any more.

And Pakistan who (for the first time) is on the top in this game, is finding a new challenger.. ISIS who is ready to provide FATHERLY support to all the orphans of TTP and Al-Qaeda... and these organization would even kill their biological mother and father for money.. money which is not a problem for ISIS.. and with the money ISIS have, they can easily provide what ever arms are required...

ISIS is not like TTP or Afghan Taliban or any other terrorist organization we knew.. who have hideouts... they are have created a country... they have their own economics, where they export terror to get FC... so they need the orphans, even if we kill all the ASWJ and its sympathizers... there'll be new ABCD and then GUJK and then KJUY etc etc..

why not kill the evil along with the branches... ??? that is the point here...

The way ISIS is spreading.. from nothing to size of any arab country with provinces in Libya nd Nigeria (both oil rich countries) it may become impossible to defeat them if they are allowed to grow

[Captain1]

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another debate another time

Then lets not talk about hypocricy.

For how long you are going to cut the leaves and branches??? before these were fueled by our agencies in name of Jihad and to destroy, once that was over, they found new father... Taliban.. now that Taliban is discussing peace norms with Afghan Govt... and Pak Army disowning them and tightening screw around them... they are looking for New Father.. and who'd be better then ISIS???

And you want Pakistan to jump to Saudia without fixing the root in Pakistan which would later be infested with the disease?

And Pakistan who (for the first time) is on the top in this game, is finding a new challenger.. ISIS who is ready to provide FATHERLY support to all the orphans of TTP and Al-Qaeda... and these organization would even kill their biological mother and father for money.. money which is not a problem for ISIS.. and with the money ISIS have, they can easily provide what ever arms are required...

Pakistan at the top of the game? Now that is funny. On one hand we are still debating on whether Mumtaz Qadri is a killer - a criminal and needs be hanged or not and on the other hand we believe Pakistan is at the top of the game?

ISIS is not like TTP or Afghan Taliban or any other terrorist organization we knew.. who have hideouts... they are have created a country... they have their own economics, where they export terror to get FC... so they need the orphans, even if we kill all the ASWJ and its sympathizers... there'll be new ABCD and then GUJK and then KJUY etc etc..

why not kill the evil along with the branches... ??? that is the point here...

The way ISIS is spreading.. from nothing to size of any arab country with provinces in Libya nd Nigeria (both oil rich countries) it may become impossible to defeat them if they are allowed to grow

Let Saudi Arabia block the ISIS, Pakistan so far has failed to curtail terrorism on its own soil what will they be able to help KSA other than minting few $$$$?

[hanibal]

Re: Saudis want more Pakistani troops in KSA to save them from ISIS

Then lets not talk about hypocricy.

And you want Pakistan to jump to Saudia without fixing the root in Pakistan which would later be infested with the disease?

What is the best way to minimize the risk of ISIS in Pakistan??? the American model, where they targeted Al-Qaida on its home ground, be it in Sudan or Afghanistan or Pakistan.... Pakistan is not a super power like US nor does it enjoys privileges US have to invade country, so if we are being invited by Saudi and being paid to eliminate root cause.. then why not??? we know Saudies cannot do it, we know Jordan cannot, we Know Syria can't we know, Turkey and Israel won't...

so back to the question, what would be the better ground, we fighting them on our shores (where we win our loose, our shores will burn) or fighting in their country, where we can be a bigger threat to them and would have minimum damages... meaning, in collateral damage, it won't be Pakistani bodies...

Pakistan at the top of the game? Now that is funny. On one hand we are still debating on whether Mumtaz Qadri is a killer - a criminal and needs be hanged or not and on the other hand we believe Pakistan is at the top of the game?

with Afghan talking to Taliban ( root cause of TTP) and Indians being forced to ease the pressure on eastern border and TTP and their frenchises being targeted and killed and areas being cleared ( Refuges returning home)... if this is not having on top then what it is....... this war is not going to end in matter of months... but we can damage them as we are and break their courage and take offensive measures.... yes we are on the top and that is for the 1st time in last 12 years...

Let Saudi Arabia block the ISIS, Pakistan so far has failed to curtail terrorism on its own soil what will they be able to help KSA other than minting few $$$$?

Saudi Army, have you seen them.. they at best can check a Civil Id/Residential card of an expatriate and/or shout at them... they are good for nothing and arab states have kept their army like that so they do not through the kings and take over, like they did in Syria, Libya and Iraq...

Even Saudi King knows that, so he need an army which can put a leash (i hope it is not a bad word to few here) on ISIS... but i would say, even we need to go there and take them on, it should be on out terms and not on Saudi's term because ISIS was invented by Saudi and Qataries...

[PyariCgudia]

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This whole thing is out of control and their is no easy solution. Countries need to decide whether groups like ISIS should be allowed to exist and as long as they're getting support from countries as listed in above posts then hope is very little. These Arab monarchs are playing double games and stupid muslims fall for it (not necessarily poor but totally uneducated about their own deen fall prey to recruiters because I guess recruiting is easy when you flash pictures of Abu Gharaib and other such atrocities to muslims all over the world)

[Captain1]

Re: Saudis want more Pakistani troops in KSA to save them from ISIS

What is the best way to minimize the risk of ISIS in Pakistan??? the American model, where they targeted Al-Qaida on its home ground, be it in Sudan or Afghanistan or Pakistan.... Pakistan is not a super power like US nor does it enjoys privileges US have to invade country, so if we are being invited by Saudi and being paid to eliminate root cause.. then why not??? we know Saudies cannot do it, we know Jordan cannot, we Know Syria can't we know, Turkey and Israel won't...

so back to the question, what would be the better ground, we fighting them on our shores (where we win our loose, our shores will burn) or fighting in their country, where we can be a bigger threat to them and would have minimum damages... meaning, in collateral damage, it won't be Pakistani bodies...

We don't have luxury of US, as you yourself mentioned that ISIS will pass to Pakistan as it is easier to cross borders as fragile as Afghanistan. If we don't eliminate this extremism root from Pakistan then we will have two open fronts against ISIS one in KSA and one in Pakistan. If we leave Pakistan open and tackle them in KSA then we will have even higher attraction of terrorists to Pakistan, even more Pakistanis will turn against Pakistan for the sake of "religion".

with Afghan talking to Taliban ( root cause of TTP) and Indians being forced to ease the pressure on eastern border and TTP and their frenchises being targeted and killed and areas being cleared ( Refuges returning home)... if this is not having on top then what it is....... this war is not going to end in matter of months... but we can damage them as we are and break their courage and take offensive measures.... yes we are on the top and that is for the 1st time in last 12 years...

Pressure on eastern border can go up and down but TTP are independent and will stop listening to Taliban of Afghanistan if they tell them to stop (if they listen to them at all in first place), TTP has its own businesses/franchises within Pakistan for financing their activities. Refugees are not a threat to Pakistan as much. So what you perceive to be "at top" for Pakistan is not really much IMHO.

Saudi Army, have you seen them.. they at best can check a Civil Id/Residential card of an expatriate and/or shout at them... they are good for nothing and arab states have kept their army like that so they do not through the kings and take over, like they did in Syria, Libya and Iraq...

Even Saudi King knows that, so he need an army which can put a leash (i hope it is not a bad word to few here) on ISIS... but i would say, even we need to go there and take them on, it should be on out terms and not on Saudi's term because ISIS was invented by Saudi and Qataries...

Yes, Saudi army can't even check foreign passports, may be able check Iqamah only, but hey its their financed problem for others so they should hug ISIS with open love.

[kakaballi]

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@hanibal

…Saudi Army, have you seen them.. they at best can check a Civil Id/Residential card of an expatriate and/or shout at them… they are good for nothing and arab states have kept their army like that so they do not through the kings and take over, like they did in Syria, Libya and Iraq… …

So, what is the biggest importer of weapons in the world doing with their shiny new toys?