As-Salamu 'Alaykum
Bismillah Ar-Rahmaan Ar-Raheem
It was according to the norm and society of those days to get married at a young age
I've already addressed the similar arguments in my first three posts, so please answer my arguments instead of bringing the refuted arguments again; however, for sake of benefit of Muslims:1 - The norm is millenia old and suddenly vanished within last century when the modernists/liberalists appear and started their commotion about moral "progression" for better, which in fact led to bankruptcy and decay of morality. They call for "civilized, modern, liberal, un-barbaric and un-backward" world. That's why I'm inclined to conclude that shame on you modernists for calling your ancestors "backward, barbaric, uneducated, uncivilized" despite the fact that you're enjoying the fruits and seeds they planted to make society a better place.
2 - Where did these cultural norms originate from? The source of all original laws is Allah Ta'ala and Islam, as I explained in my 3rd post in this thread. When did Islam introduce its laws based on cultural norms? When did Islam incorporated cultural norms in its laws? How does this being a cultural norm prove that it is not part of Islamic ruling; thus, we should abandon it now as norm has changed? Is Islam not for all time?
3 - Do you have a sharee' evidence that this practice of Prophet (sal-allahu 'alayhi wa salam) was only for his time? Any classical scholar to backup this claim? Why was this norm acceptable back then and not now? Why was this norm banished to begin with?
4 - If we follow your logic then it means we should abandon other sharee' laws as well because today it is not the norm to stone/flog adulterer, kill apostate, death penalty for murderers (some countries have abandoned it). Why don't abandon these as well, as this was norm back then and not now?
she was being pursued by Jubair ibn Mut`am, indicates that she was mature enough for marriage.
I never said anything about her not being mature at the time of consummation, nor I said you can consummate marriages with immature girls. So please stop putting words in my mouth or implying as If I've stated such arguments. As far Jubair's case, this is not proven authentically. I remember even your Shaykh GF Haddad covered this
you are so rude.
how exactly? Or is this another on of your accusation against me? Sister, we both know the end result of our discussion from past experience. The fact of the matter is that despite what I present, the sharee' evidence and understanding of classical scholars, you are not going to buy it. Why? Because in your eyes I'm a "deviant extremists wahabi". However, you'll buy what your sufi scholars say even if they present no evidence for it. This is nothing but ta'ssub. Therefore, because you don't believe me then ask your scholars.
Would you care explaining those conditions?
already did as the Salaf explained:
The main purpose of marriage is to protect yourself from fahsha. In Traditional Islam the condition for marriage is not based on age but the mental and phsical maturity and capability of a person.
and your point is? can you show me anywhere that I went against this? Your argument would only have any leg to stand on if I contradicted it. You're saying traditional Islam as if by taking the side of modernists, you are presenting the traditional view.
There was a time when it was a norm to marry young people who used to become mature and capable quite early, even in the West people were being married at 10-12 but it was the time when women aged 10-12 were graduated and men aged 14-15 were earning. Now a days, a 16 years old hardly finishes his high-school.
Hope you understand this Allahkaybanday.
The reason is simple, because the societies have been morally decade and bankrupted within last century. What happened to millenia old norm? Why did it suddenly vanish in thin air within last century. Why should I follow the new norm? How does changes in norm prove that we need to bring changes in Islamic laws?
and Allah knows best