Saudis: Pakistan's Friends or Foes? (Foes)

After wikileaks’ revelations, the world is saying what some of us have been saying all along. Saudi help to Pakistan is hugely overshadowed by the massive Saudi support to violent extremist elements in Pakistan.
Not only has Saudi government been providing financial help to Talibanic kharijis and their ilk, but their government has also been unwilling to stop private donations to these fanatics, even at America’s insistence.

Pakistan and Pakistanis have suffered tremendously at the hands of violence by fanatics. And Saudis are the financiers and supporters of these enemies of Pakistan.

Saudis are now angry with Zardari because under his government, no matter how uncompetitive in other fields, is taking right steps in blocking Saudi flow of funds to Taliban and their allies. This is why Saudis think they could not “progress” in gripping Pakistan’s throat unless Zardari is there, and Nawaz Sharif is not here.
In this game, Nawaz Sharif is Saudi horse.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20024656-503543.html

The U.S. appears to have made little headway in seeking closer cooperation between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia** to block wealthy Saudi sympathizers from funding Islamic conservatives in the Afghanistan-Pakistan region**, senior Western and Arab diplomats have told CBS News after carefully examining some of the State Department documents revealed on WikiLeaks.
Pieced together, the leaked documents for the first time show evidence of underlying tensions between Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari’s regime and the ruling Saudi establishment of King Abdullah.

One of the documents released by WikiLeaks to the media quotes the King saying that Pakistan can never progress as long as Zardari remains the country’s president — an especially disparaging remark by the Saudi monarch towards Pakistan’s head of state.

The friction, according to one U.S. official who spoke to CBS News on background, “has revealed the many challenges in seeking” closer Saudi-Pakistan cooperation, notably in areas such as the flow of finances from Saudi Arabia to recipients in Pakistan who work as fronts for Islamic zealots linked to the Taliban.

“The tension in the Saudi-Pakistan relationship must be cause for concern to the U.S. Much time and effort has been spent in making this (Saudi-Pakistan) relationship work better, but the results are not very encouraging,” said a Western ambassador in Islamabad who spoke to CBS News on condition of anonymity.

Elaborating on American interest in making the Saudis and Pakistanis establish a close working relationship, the ambassador revealed that for the past three to five years, the U.S. has worked behind the scenes to block the flow of Saudi funds to Islamic outlets in Pakistan, “but in Washington, I believe this effort is still not seen to have borne fruit.”

Historically, Saudi Arabia stepped up its support to Islamic zealots in Pakistan and Afghanistan in the 1980s, seeking to push “jihad,” or holy war — a term used to define the Afghan-based armed resistance opposing the occupying Soviet forces. During this time, a large number of Islamic hardliners (including Osama bin Laden) traveled from countries like Saudi Arabia to Afghanistan to join the resistance.

That effort helped Saudi Arabia consolidate its long-term contacts in the Afghanistan-Pakistan region with Sunni Muslims who supported the Wahabi brand of Islam that is practiced across the oil rich desert kingdom. Historically, for most Pakistanis Islam has made inroads into countries of South Asia through the more conciliatory Sufi tradition of Islam (which stands in sharp contrast to the more rigid interpretation of Islam by Wahabi Muslims).

A week after the WikiLeaks revelations of King Abdullah’s remarks, a politician from Pakistan’s ruling party (known as the Pakistan People’s Party, or PPP, led by Zardari) told CBS News that the relationship between the two countries had “become lukewarm.”

Speaking on condition of anonymity as he was not authorized to discuss the subject with journalists, the politician claimed that Zardari had worked systematically to curb the influence of Wahabi clergy over officials in his ruling structure — a position that may have irked the Saudi establishment.

“Once the Saudis thought that the Pakistani government wanted to curb the influence of the Wahabis in the ruling structure, they pulled back from any significant support to Pakistan,” said the official.

Last month, the president of a privately-owned Pakistani bank in the southern port city of Karachi told CBS News that authorities had tightened their watch on large incoming transfers in foreign currencies from the Middle East to recipients in Pakistan, mainly to block funds for the Taliban and their sympathizers.

“To make certain that any large-scale movement of funds for suspected terrorism-related purposes does not go unnoticed, we try to keep a close watch,” said the bank president in a background briefing to a small group of news organizations, including CBS.

But the Western ambassador who spoke to CBS News in Islamabad said efforts such as the ones claimed by the private bank’s president "are still not strong enough to make a difference to the funds going to people with militancy-related links.

“Eventually, you have to close the tap. The tap is with the Saudis, and they don’t seem interested in closing it off.”

CBS News’ Farhan Bokhari reported from Islamabad.

Re: Saudis: Pakistan's Friends or Foes? (Foes)

Friends -No doubt

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Would friends support Pakistan's enemies by their money?
Do you know what Saudis think about your leader? Is this how friends talk about their friends?

Did you even READ what I quoted?

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My leaders or Your leaders
but the Pakistan is first
I knew they support some religious groups
but that is less than their ever support to Pakistan
We have to ignore that or control that

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This is really bad - Pakistan is pretty much a client state of KSA. Alliances and support is one thing, but the fact that they have meddled in our business by supporting Nawaz over Zardari is not acceptable.

Where is our sovereignty?

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A foe, almost as bad as india.

sunni extremists and hindu extremists are not pakistans friends.

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Pakistan is sold out to KSA and USA, neither is friend, some vested interests.

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Friends of course !

Before criticizing their thoughts we must see what Pakistani politicians have done so far in that country!
Disliking or hatred for one regime might go down quite nicely with many many Pakistanis as well but it does not mean a major breach has occurred in the 'Historical Friendship'

I don't believe Saudis can go down that deep in micro-politics like the US or Israelis do, they don't have to !
secondly KSA presence in the middle East affairs always have been an important one hence their interests and virtues lay within the region only.

Saudi's having an agenda of wahabi expansionism in my opinions is a fool's idea or fear ! If you say 'Iran & Yemen' then I would agree !

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Since when beggars are choosers?

Saudi Arabia got the influence by providing many facilities including crude oil at lowest possible rate and that is also on deferred payment... Saudies have helped the corrupt govts with money and with their influence on the national and international arena...

blame all u want.. but the truth remains as it is... had our corrupt politicians and generals not invited opinions of saudies in every other matter, Saudi or UAE do not have balls or IQ to get involve in the govt. affairs of Pakistan...

If i am not wrong, Saudies are among the biggest donors for Pakistan, and if i am donating money or lending support to someone, i would like to have it my way, doesn't matter if it is my brother's own household... same logic here... so instead of criticizing Saudies, get your facts straight, why not criticize those who let Saudi or Americans or Chinese cross their limits and issue orders... lets criticize and abandon the leadership which have chose to kneel down in front of these countries...

It is easy to point fingers on others/outsiders... but the point is, who let the outsiders become the master of the house? more importantly, when outsider is in command, last thing he thinks about is your interest... as it is his money, his command and it should be his interest... the sooner we understand this, the better it is!!!

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^ how would your post be different if we substituted US for KSA?

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^^ if you read it carefully i have also named China...

so doesn't matter which country it is, unless we have the right people talking to them... they'll intentionally or unintentionally bring their culture and believes with them... unless you keep the relationship at bay...

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sure its undisputed that our ruling class is a bunch of jackasses. however people have different reactions to us being client states of america vs saudi arab, when both are playing pretty much the same role, with the same means, for similar goals (regional supremacy), resulting in violence and death.