Here are some things that should be required for countries to obtain nukes - a stable, mature, responsible, moderate government without a large extremist population.
If Saudis have got the brains or are savvy enough to acquire nuclear weapons (they sure haven't got what it takes to build them) then good luck to them. Personally i think they are better qualified to shopping in Harrods, gambling in LA or buying children for camel races, maybe they should stick to what they're good at.
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Muffie, I was illustrating that a lot of things happen that appear as an accident, but are well planned. Like something might be in the works to make an accident in Tehran. But it will only be an accident. Do you know why there was fire in Riyadh Prison? It served 2 purposes, #1, it had many Shia detainees from the Eastern Part of Saudi Arabis, and #2, it had Al-Qayda folks who knew of Saudi complicity. But it was an accident to make fools of the fools.
Muffie, do you have any information/news, etc. about the investigation into Air Chief's accident?
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Wow Madhanee, when did you join the department of homeland security. Talk about spreading lies and rumors, not to mention creating doubt in the mind of public by spreading lies.
Madhanee, do you have any proof to back up your statements (truth)? The burden of proof is on you. You claimed that you know why was there a prison fire in Saudia, so show us the proof to back up your statements.
Madhanee, categorically yes and yes. Howevre, the fact remains that you or I dont the whole story. I can cite similar examples where investigations or lack thereof in US. JFK assasination, what is happening to the inncoent folks who are detained under the patriot act? The sad truth is that we will never find out the whole story. That is why i was sayong that those statements of yours are at best a guess.
Whether the Saudis have the brains to build a nuke or not is irrelevant. If they can buy the goods, then good luck to them. They should exercise this option.
Israel hasn't even signed up to the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty as yet and are hellbent on war after war, using the right to existence as a feeble excuse.
The nuclear club fortunately is no longer an exclusive club, even though it has been kept that way for donkeys years by the non muslim powers.
The West is already fearful of Islam and a muslim country like Saudi to get the product by paying for it let alone spending years developing it is a bigger thorn in their side.
Good luck to them!
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Kaleem, Saudi intelligence is known to be the most callous and pitiless of the entire Arab world (seconded only to Syria). According to some reports (and I will look for references and let you know) 1 in 6 Saudi males is on their payroll (mainly funded (like everything else) and controlled by the Ruling family). They not only spy on foreigners, but also on their own populace. I have heard stories of Saudi agents following dissident Saudis’ activities in London and DC. The Saudi Royal will do anything and will spend any amount of money to crush dissent within their country, and I wouldn’t put is past them that they are responsible for that fire. And yes, these are my guesses. But I do have reasons to guess, reading reports and knowing a few Saudis personally. A dear Saudi friend who now lives in DC was tortured and left to die in desert by them. His only crime being that he was a Shia and he once talked about Iranian revolution at his place of work. His fellow countrymen did him in. If only Osama could do something to get rid of the Monarchs and Despots, I will love him for that.
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their intelligence is just as bad as FBI, CIA who can't even catch a cold, let alone terrorists and criminals.
americans too are spending any amount of money to spy on foreigners [muslims] in their country and would do everything to put them in jail, whether they are guilty or innocent.
closely watch whats going on in canada rite now as how canadian police left native indians to die in snow and how they were tortured. their only crime was that they were native indians and worth nothing.
well these monarchs and despots are supported by americans and until this support is on, you can't get rid of them. so the only possible way to get rid of them is to get rid of those who are supporting them. make the supporters weak and these monarchs and despots will start to feel the heat and wrath. :)
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well these monarchs and despots are supported by americans and until this support is on, you can't get rid of them. so the only possible way to get rid of them is to get rid of those who are supporting them. make the supporters weak and these monarchs and despots will start to feel the heat and wrath. :)
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So how do propose to do that, OBL? Attack the US instead of the goobers who run SA? Will it be easier to get rid of US than they royal family? Recognize these despots as the problem and responsibility of Saudis and stop blaming others.
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So how do propose to do that, OBL? Attack the US instead of the goobers who run SA? Will it be easier to get rid of US than they royal family? Recognize these despots as the problem and responsibility of Saudis and stop blaming others.
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well who is supporting them? if he gets rid of saudis and other monarchs, do you really think that someone else not supported by the west will be able to take control? do you really think that the west will allow someone not in their good books to control all that oil. i don't think it will happen. if saudis are to go then someone equally bad and good by western standards have to be in power to say YES to everything west wants, no matter how wrong and inhumane it is. :)
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Baby…yeah good comparison, but FBI or CIA agents have at least high school education. And can speak English on top of that.
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and what is sooooo good about that if they can speak english? they are americans aren't they? saudis are good in that sense that they can speak good arabic afterall its their language. :)
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First let the facts be straighten.
There were many Shia prisioners from Qatif and Al-Ahsa region of Saudi Arabia (a region sympathetic to Iran).
There were many Al-Qaeda prioners in that Jail.
What’s you view about the above 2 points. Are these statements correct or not? Yes or No.
And if you think, that Saudi will publish the findings of their investigation, you are dreaming...
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That doctor/advisor of British government, was killed, no?
royals need to be castrated and sent to Israel to work as eunuch prostitutes - the exact same role they have been playing until now in Saudi.
Leave all the wealth, american military hardware behind in the hands of wahabis, and let the game begin. We’ll then see if Israel would still be standing..it’s comin’, and you know it 
Madhanee, I will not even try to defend Saudi Kings. I am well aware of their corruption and disgusting ways. They are the worst bunch of all the Muslims(if you can call them Muslims). I only like to point out that once in a while you should draw attention to the attrocities committed by US. You know there are innocents who have suffered due to the over zealous legislation (Patriot Act).
Oil thing is not a myth and never will be. Maybe US does not want the oil, but it certainly wants to control it. There is a very good book on this topic that I have mentioned before. Try reading it (Iraq in the eye of the storm). It will prove it to you that oil thing is not a myth.
In my opinion, I dont think the Saudis should go for a nuclear technology, in all reality I dont think they have anything to fear from any country including the state of Isreal. However, if the Saudis are feeling uncomforable, Pakistan can provide a security cover to the Saudis, in return of a decent amount of money.
What was stopping the Wahabis doing all that before? Must have been the oil money bought their silence and now it’s running out they’re getting an itch. Well good luck to them but Pakis shouldn’t give a toss about these scumbags, they should follow the Wahabi example and look out for themselves.
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In my opinion, I dont think the Saudis should go for a nuclear technology, in all reality I dont think they have anything to fear from any country including the state of Isreal. However, if the Saudis are feeling uncomforable, **Pakistan can provide a security cover to the Saudis*, in return of a decent amount of money.
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Surely pakistan can provide that protection to SA, but then it will have to look into being traget of Israel and possibly Iran.
overall I am against total non nuclear world. but cause that is not a possiblity.
Given that whole Muslim world, instead of spending more money in individual efforts. sit together and sign a single nuclear protection policy against any muslim country. atleast some if not all included.
it was always feared pakistani bomb will become islamic bomb. if that happens, it will work toward peace for muslim world instead of war.
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Given that whole Muslim world, instead of spending more money in individual efforts. sit together and sign a single nuclear protection policy against any muslim country. atleast some if not all included.
it was always feared pakistani bomb will become islamic bomb. if that happens, it will work toward peace for muslim world instead of war.
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Here's the thing I don't get about the attitude expressed above. Sounds to me like a sort of "Muslim Uber Alles" mindset. Doesn't seem to matter how bad or how good the Muslim country is. All that matters is it is Muslim. If it is Muslim, it should fit under a "single nuclear protection policy." We've heard an awful lot of criticism of the ruling Saudi Royal family and regime change often comes up. Assuming all that criticism is justified, why would progressive Muslim countries want to embrace and include Saudi Arabia under a single defense pact?
I would think that individual Muslim countries would be better off if their focus on forming alliances was on trade, education, progressive government reform, etc. without reference to whether or not the country they allign with also happens to have a majority Muslim population.
I just never have understood how shared skin color and shared religion should override and trump other important shared mutual interests.
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why would progressive Muslim countries want to embrace and include Saudi Arabia under a single defense pact.
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probably for the same reason ppl on the west coast, northeast and soem midwestern sates have to deal with mississippi and alabama etc :)
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Just like the Nuclear club was kept exclusive by the non Muslims for decades. The main reason for this was Religious belief.
Pakistan only forced it's way in. (the only muslim country by the way)
If it was down to the 'club' members, Muslims would still only have the ak47 as it's most powerful arsenal!
If we don't look out for ourselves, who will.
You lot surely won't.
sholay, i think u are missing MVs point. I dont think there is an issue with a muslim majority country having nuclear weapons, but the right ones.. surely we would not have wanted afghanistan to have those.. same goes for other countries which may not be teh right candidates to hold on to such things.
if indonesia had it, it would be a diff situation than if afghanistan did..get the point if it was about religion there are plenty of christian majority countries that dont have nuclear weapons.