Saudis consider nuclear bomb

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Thursday September 18, 2003
The Guardian

Saudi Arabia, in response to the current upheaval in the Middle East, has embarked on a strategic review that includes acquiring nuclear weapons, the Guardian has learned.
This new threat of proliferation in one of the most dangerous regions of the world comes on top of a crisis over Iran’s alleged nuclear programme.

A strategy paper being considered at the highest levels in Riyadh sets out three options:

· To acquire a nuclear capability as a deterrent;

· To maintain or enter into an alliance with an existing nuclear power that would offer protection;

· To try to reach a regional agreement on having a nuclear-free Middle East.

Until now, the assumption in Washington was that Saudi Arabia was content to remain under the US nuclear umbrella. But the relationship between Saudi Arabia and the US has steadily worsened since the September 11 attacks on New York and Washington: 15 of the 19 attackers were Saudi.

It is not known whether Saudi Arabia has taken a decision on any of the three options. But the fact that it is prepared to contemplate the nuclear option is a worrying development.

United Nations officials and nuclear arms analysts said the Saudi review reflected profound insecurities generated by the volatility in the Middle East, Riyadh’s estrangement with Washington and the weakening of its reliance on the US nuclear umbrella.

They pointed to the Saudi worries about an Iranian prog-ramme and to the absence of any international pressure on Israel, which has an estimated 200 nuclear devices.

“Our antennae are up,” said a senior UN official watching worldwide nuclear proliferation efforts. “The international community can rest assured we do keep track of such events if they go beyond talk.”

Saudi Arabia does not regard Iran, a past adversary with which Riyadh has restored relations, as a direct threat. But it is unnerved by the possibility of Iran and Israel having nuclear weapons.

Riyadh is also worried about a string of apparent leaks in American papers from the US administration critical of Saudi Arabia.

David Albright, director of the Institute for Science and International Security, a Washington thinktank, said he doubted whether the Saudis would try to build a nuclear bomb, preferring instead to try to buy a nuclear warhead. They would be the first of the world’s eight or nine nuclear powers to have bought rather than built the bomb.

“There has always been worries that the Saudis would go down this path if provoked,” said Mr Albright. “There is growing US hostility which could lead to the removal of the US umbrella and will the Saudis be intimidated by Iran? They’ve got to be nervous.”

UN officials said there have been rumours going back 20 years that the Saudis wanted to pay Pakistan to do the research and development on nuclear weapons.

In 1988, Saudi bought from China intermediate-range missiles capable of reaching any part of the Middle East with a nuclear warhead.

Four years ago, Saudi Arabia sent a defence team to Pakistan to tour its secret nuclear facilities and to be briefed by Abdul Qader Khan, the father of Pakistan’s nuclear bomb.

A UN official said: “There’s obviously a lot of restlessness in the Middle East. Regional insecurity tends to produce a quest for a nuclear umbrella. The Saudis have the money and could provide it to Pakistan.”

Mr Albright said the Saudis would face a long haul if they were determined to acquire nuclear weapons. He doubted whether anyone would sell.

Arab countries yesterday urged the International Atomic Energy Authority, the UN nuclear watchdog, to get tough with Israel to let inspectors assess its nuclear programme in line with similar pressure on Iran.

Oman’s ambassador to the IAEA, Salim al-Riyami, speaking on behalf of the Arab League, which represents Arab states, said it was time to get tough with Israel. “I think it’s time to deal with this issue more substantively than before,” he said.

I am not sure if Saudis are a good example... they do have the money, but hardly any brains to do any bit of work themselves.... but try as it might... nuclear proliferation is gonna happen. US or UN or UK or any U can't stop it no more. They are just fighting a losing battle here. But its alright. They are just gonna create a fuss... thats what they'll do... but China, Pakistan, India, North Korea, Iran.. u name it... those who are determined to do it, will do it... and for most countries this decision is not affected by the feathers it will ruffle in the Washington or New York, but by their own security considerations.

US/UN needs to grow up and adopt a more realistic approach towards the whole nuclear proliferation regime. With the death of Soviet Union, and world becoming uni-polar, countries cannot remain safe under the umbrella of one or the other. Now each has to look at its own interests. And nuclear option is definitely on the table.

I see no problem in the Saudi's and Iran acquiring nuclear weapons. If Israel doesn't give up their's, every middle east country should be trying to get such weapons. Only way to keep Israel honest. Look what it has done for Pakistan. India dares not attack Pakistan.

With nuclear proliferation growing it becomes all the more likely that a terrorist organization will obtain one and use it, dangerous times lie ahead.

One man’s terrorist, is another man’s … whatever

But yeah… thats true. There is no guarantee it hasn’t happened already. Who knows, may be Hezbollah already have one, and are just waiting to explode it in Tel Aviv… We don’t know right? The world is just now waking up to the possibility of Iran being a nuclear power.

The world is definitely going to be more dangerous. Thats human mind. It just keeps on developing deadlier and deadlier weapons. These nuclear bombs and the whole technology to make weapons of mass destruction are also a gift of the so-called advanced countries of the world. Thank you so much. :flower2:

IMHO,

The world went crazy when the atom was split. What does obliterating Earth with nuclear bombs accomplish? What does killing each other accomplish?

Nada in my thinking.

Why is it that countries build nuclear bombs to provide security when if used are the # threat to life?

Knowing there are nuclear bombs in the world makes me feel insecure when I think about it.

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With nuclear proliferation growing it becomes all the more likely that a terrorist organization will obtain one and use it, dangerous times lie ahead.
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Such examples are already in the history. For example when US attacked Japan with the nuclear bomb.

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Such examples are already in the history. For example when US attacked Japan with the nuclear bomb.
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Good one...lol

Saudi Arabia will unlikely build its own facilities to actually enrich Uranium, as they lack any infrastructure and technical expertise. However, considering the close relationship between Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, it wouldn't surprise me if Pakistan slips them couple of bombs under the table. They did purchase some delivery systems aka small to med range ballistic missiles from China couple of years ago. So, they do have some delivery methods and they don’t need more considering the fact that Israel is only a stone’s throw distance from Tabuk.

What needed the most is to closely monitor Israel’s activities in the Red Sea, and harass the IDF vessels coming in and out of the port of Eilat. Just to let the *******s know that they can’t play their little mischievous games in and around Saudi..with time, inshallaha once the Wahabis are in full control..

good for saudis. if they want nuclear bomb then all the best to them. with isreal having more than 350+ nuclear weapons, its fair and square to have weapons of your own to be prepared for the worse.

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once the Wahabis are in full control..
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"Nuclear weapons" and "Wahabis in control". Aren't those two phrases together in one sentence scary to anyone else?

Trust me, Saudis neither have the brains nor the gutts to have a nuclear bomb. What to talk of building it, it would be a surprise if they would even be able to buy it and keep it.

Nothing can be expected from a nation in a deep sleep, full of nationalism and pride, having little love for education and learning. (atleast for the next 50 years)

Too much money is a big problem sometimes, especially for the monarchy who cares only but little!

I do see, however, that in the international media, first there were talks of Pakistan - Iran nuclear relationship and now this Saudi-PAk nuclear collaboration. There always has to be Pakistan in the picture till the minds in the West are pretty sure that PAkistan is an exporter of terrorism and on top of that nuclear proliferation! Therefore the story is indirectly all about Pakistan. It is Pakistan that worries them all and rightly so! and these seem to be ways of weaving a web around Pakistan.

This may sound a bit wierd but this is what I observe.

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There always has to be Pakistan in the picture till the minds in the West are pretty sure that PAkistan is an exporter of terrorism and on top of that nuclear proliferation! Therefore the story is indirectly all about Pakistan. It is Pakistan that worries them all and rightly so! and these seem to be ways of weaving a web around Pakistan.

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Maybe that is because of Pakistan's transfer of nuclear technology to North Korea, which was by any measure irresponsible and dangerous.

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Maybe that is because of Pakistan's transfer of nuclear technology to North Korea, which was by any measure irresponsible and dangerous.
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Yeah, how dare Pakistan do that. They should have sought American signatures before doing that. Instead they should have got Chemical WMD from Iraq and passed it to NK.

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Israel has enough nukes to turn the entire Middle East into a big Wahabi graveyard. ...
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Thats what Saudis want to deter and turn Israel into Jew graveyard in case of attack.

As if nuclear arsenal is the right of only free nations on this planet, we do forget South Africa, China, USSR, all freedom loving countries, especially when they acquired nuclear arsenals.

Would some one explain why IDF requires all these nuclear arms? They fear extinction from its neighbors? Or may be they need those arms because they are afraid of that boy with a stone in his hand.

The Saudi's will never have a nuke unless they are carried by Nieman Marcus.

Next in line would be South Korea and Japan. Both have the wealth, technology, intelligence, as well as a reason, North Korea.

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... like the Air Chief of Pakistan who mysteriously died in a plane crash in clear weather...
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Where in heavens name did you pick this one from?

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The Saudi's will never have a nuke unless they are carried by Nieman Marcus.

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LOL! That is so true! Don't forget about the Versace carrying case and the BMW 7450iL with an all leather interior delivery system.

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Do you think Saudis have a bit of civility about them? And you want them to acquire nukes. Think real hard my friend.
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Acquiring nukes doesn't require any civility, humility or other "ility"s. It does require knowledge, intelligence and desire though.