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What Saudis are doing is nothing short of act of war in Syria. Can you imagine the outroar in the Muslim world if Syria did the same or if they retaliated?
The Saudis are not shelling Shia villages on a daily basis. As deplorable as the Saudi treatment of minorities is, it's a false comparison. They're in the right on this.
However, Pakistan is simply in no shape to help.
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Was Assad really THAT bad?? Was this price worth paying to create anarchy and cause deaths of thousands and thousands of people? That is the question Saudis need to ponder.
So many apologists for Assad.
The Saudis did not start this fire. They reacted, and more so because of Iran and Hezb. Assad is squarely to blame for the conflict and strife.
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The Saudis are not shelling Shia villages on a daily basis. As deplorable as the Saudi treatment of minorities is, it's a false comparison. They're in the right on this.
However, Pakistan is simply in no shape to help.
Unless I have been mistaken, do tell me when did Syria or Iran for that fact start funding terror groups in Saudi Arabia? As for shelling villages, have you forgotten how the Saudis clamped down in Bahrain?
They meddle in Syria and they meddle in Bahrain and they have destroyed the fabric of Pakistani society by funding Wahabism and now they were planning to attack Iran via Israel. Absolutely pathetic. I find more KSA apologists than Assads.
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Unless I have been mistaken, do tell me when did Syria or Iran for that fact start funding terror groups in Saudi Arabia? As for shelling villages, have you forgotten how the Saudis clamped down in Bahrain?
I don't see Saudi funding terror groups in Syria. So your point is rather moot. As for Bahrain, unfortunate, but not at all on the same scale. To be certain, it's not right that a self-imposed monarchy rules over the Majority. What does that have to do with Syria?
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They meddle in Syria and they meddle in Bahrain and they have destroyed the fabric of Pakistani society by funding Wahabism and now they were planning to attack Iran via Israel. Absolutely pathetic. I find more KSA apologists than Assads.
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Blaming them for Pakistan's ills is as dumb as blaming any other foreign country. Pakistan is what it is by it's own accord. Own the problem. The fact that our politicians and generals keep pimping the nation out is really what is the problem. I for one will not blame the Johns for doing whatever sleazy deeds they are prone to do.
Attack Iran vs Isreal...did you even watch that RT report, or are you content with just reading headlines? Nobody in their right minds takes that seriously.
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I don't see Saudi funding terror groups in Syria. So your point is rather moot. As for Bahrain, unfortunate, but not at all on the same scale. To be certain, it's not right that a self-imposed monarchy rules over the Majority. What does that have to do with Syria?
First: You don't see them funding terror groups in Syria? Have you caught up with the war yet?
Second: Bahrain. Who cares about the scale, they MEDDLED in another country in helping CRUSH protests and rob the local people of overthrowing puppets. According to you then as long as countries dont do it on a grand scale, hey they can meddle? If every country was to follow this we won't have a world left.
Third: Oh I agree the first people to blame in Pak are our own people but to say or deny the unbelievable negative impact Saudis have in Pakistan is laughable.
Fourth: I don't know what media you've been following but its pretty much common knowledge after Wikileaks that Saudis have been itching for others to attack Iran (and Syria too)
I find it unbelievable you are backing a country who is funding armed gangs in another country, who has meddled and crushed protests in a second country, who has been itching for others to attack a THIRD country and who has had only negative impact on our own country.
And we are Assad apologists?
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We have already suffered a lot in Afghanistan, I hope our leaders develop the guts to refuse the Saudis politely. We should focus on improving our country as compared to participating in thankless civil wars in other countries.
By now Pakistan should have learnt lesson by involving in other countries' matter. Pakistan Army should clearly say no to these munafiqin. For God sake leave Pakistan alone. Haven't these b@st@rds inflicted enough damage to poor people of Pakistan? I hope army will not involve in greed of KSA's yet throwing another bone to them.
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First: You don't see them funding terror groups in Syria? Have you caught up with the war yet?
I see them funding anti-Assad fighters, but I am unaware of any terrorist incident they are responsible for. Or is the mere act of opposing all-mighty Assad bad enough for you folk?
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Second: Bahrain. Who cares about the scale, they MEDDLED in another country in helping CRUSH protests and rob the local people of overthrowing puppets. According to you then as long as countries dont do it on a grand scale, hey they can meddle? If every country was to follow this we won't have a world left.
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Nope. Didn't say that. I said on Syria, they are correct. To be right on one issue means just that. What I did say was that bringing in the protests there in comparison to Syria is a joke and a half. And fyi, technically they were invited in by the established rulers. That's not meddling. That's just continuing an unfair status-quo.
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Oh I agree the first people to blame in Pak are our own people but to say or deny the unbelievable negative impact Saudis have in Pakistan is laughable.
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Or America, or India...the point is, others will do whatever they want...the sad part is there are plenty who let them.
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I don't know what media you've been following but its pretty much common knowledge after Wikileaks that Saudis have been itching for others to attack Iran (and Syria too)
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That's hardly a military alliance with Israel.
Iran has been causing trouble throughout the region since 1979...that's a game the two are playing. Why so emotional?
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I find it unbelievable you are backing a country who is funding armed gangs in another country, who has meddled and crushed protests in a second country, who has been itching for others to attack a THIRD country and who has had only negative impact on our own country.
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I'll say it again: on Syria, they are in the right.
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Yup.
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I see them funding anti-Assad fighters, but I am unaware of any terrorist incident they are responsible for. Or is the mere act of opposing all-mighty Assad bad enough for you folk?
I guess in wahabi dictionary bombing Prophet's PBUH granddaughter's shrine or digging up the body of Sahabi e Rasool or chopping the heads off of fellow muslims or burning scores of mosques or chewing the heart of a muslim is not terrorism.
Don't forget the simple rule of thumb that if you are on Israel's side then you are on the wrong side. simple as that.
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First, Assad is a scumbag however its Syria’s internal problem. He is no worse than KSA’s rulers, do you think they would sit back if they had gangs funded from Syria running riot in KSA? Oh my.
Second. Absolutely hilarious how you call Bahrain’s rulers who not only oppress their population but invite a third country to do it (KSA again!) and you call them established rulers? Well my dear if we go by that logic then Assad’s khaandaan who has been ruling Syria for decades…can’t get more established than that. By your logic then if Iran is invited by Syria’s established rulers to crush the rebellion that would be fine, right?
Thirdly, you keep giving off vague rhetoric, but fail to name me ONE example where Iran has meddled in another country and caused civil war on a massive scale.
Exactly
This guy hates on Iran (and basically anyone that is not prone to the meddling that happens due to KSA) because apparently they have caused problems everywhere yet fails to name even one. Which reminds me does he even remember how the Saudis backed Iraq when they invaded Iran too? Another country they’ve meddled in openly! Accusing others of being apologists he’s not a bad one himself!
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idk what the hell is happening.....worried about future
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I don't know what is wrong with muslims, especially the educated western types. They are willing to support all kinds of madness as long as it aligns with their brand of Islam. That's all what's at play in Syria. Sunnis are supporting it because the ruler happens to be Shia and the population is largely sunni. If it was a sunni ruler with shia majority they would be calling it interference in the affairs of a muslim country.
Sectarianism is reaching a fever pitch yet this is 'one ummah' according to some of your internet jihadis. What a joke.
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Iran fought eight years bravely against Iraq supported by the entire GCC.
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I don't know what is wrong with muslims, especially the educated western types. They are willing to support all kinds of madness as long as it aligns with their brand of Islam. That's all what's at play in Syria. Sunnis are supporting it because the ruler happens to be Shia and the population is largely sunni. If it was a sunni ruler with shia majority they would be calling it interference in the affairs of a muslim country.
Sectarianism is reaching a fever pitch yet this is 'one ummah' according to some of your internet jihadis. What a joke.
Iran did the same with Bahrain as well, you know crying hoarse, not that it makes it anyone any better but it just shows the true face of the so-called ummat these dayz....
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If it’s Syria’s internal problem, then you no doubt have trouble with Iran sending revolutionary guard corps to Syria, as well as Hezbollah setting up shop there? I doubt you do. And my point on Bahrain was exactly that. You consider what happened there “meddling” in spite of the obvious parallel with Syria.
For the record, had Iran taken action against the corrupt Amirs of Bahrain, I would have cared less. Anywhere in the ME where you had a minority ruling over a majority, it’s a situation that needs to be changed.
But the fact is, your heroes are actively killing Sunni villagers in Syria without qualm or cause. So let us get to the point: this is an outcome you and your ilk no doubt love, as you never speak to it. It’s always Saudi this or that…when it’s Assad who is spilling the blood of innocents.
So I’ll say it again: on this issue, Saudi is in the right.
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I don't know what is wrong with muslims, especially the educated western types. They are willing to support all kinds of madness as long as it aligns with their brand of Islam.
Pardon our education...would you rather us feign ignorance?
Having one confuse my anti-Assad sentiment for being anti-Shia only exposes one's own bias, and does not reflect my own views.
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FYI, I am Sunni
And I have massive problems with others sending their trash in Syria causing problems. Unless you have a habit of misreading I said above this is Syria’s internal problem. But the Saudis doing it officially and shamelessly takes the utter biscuit.
And who are my heroes? I hate the scum who kill and I hate Assad. If the guy had shown as much spine to Israel the middle east would perhaps look different. Saying that I dislike those who meddle in other nations and cause more problems even more. Every nation has the right to sort out their own mess, unless you don’t know how politics work because if they don’t then their struggle gets hijacked with foreign powers who have their own agenda. Like in Libya or Egypt and now Syria. Which gets more killed. More innocents destroyed. I CANNOT believe you can’t see that. Saudis are not right. Nor have they ever been right, torhi si himmat dekhain aur khud ja ke zara pangay lein Assad se instead of dilly dallying with mercenaries. Or atleast they should have shown that spine to Israel!
What about Saudis and their love for attacking Iran? (Which again unless you are clueless about politics is common knowledge) I don’t see a minority being ruled in Iran? Or what about Saudis themselves? Any person with an ounce of political know-how will know how they rule. By brute force to any opposition. How about if someone waltz in and helps their people.
Or Egypt? Where they have meddled and supported the Army regime responsible for killing democracy and overthrowing a legit government?
Have a word mate, meddling in other countries never works. Never has and never will.
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Sectarianism is reaching a fever pitch yet this is 'one ummah' according to some of your internet jihadis. What a joke.
Sectarianism has destroyed the Muslim World.
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I telk you this shak is ayatollah khomeni al-sistani in disguise. ..
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And I have massive problems with others sending their trash in Syria causing problems. Unless you have a habit of misreading I said above this is Syria's internal problem. But the Saudis doing it officially and shamelessly takes the utter biscuit.
Blah blah blah. You simply did not answer my question and bring up the same old canards.
Perhaps others here who claim to be anti-sectarianism, yet take a most sectarian stance would care to respond?
