So it hurts you
And how does it hurt the shias when you sunnis attribute all false shirk to us.
GFQ - I'm not here to start anything. But for the sake of Allah (swt) atleast look at what Watcher is posting.
If you think that we will not respond, you are mistaken.
You invent false against yourselves and against others:
**Where IN QURAN does Allah asks you to ask “shaheeds” for help?
Where IN QURAN does Allah say that you need a connection of shaheed or some imam with Allah, to ask help from him or to communicate with Allah?
Where IN QURAN does Allah asks you to go on to graves of Imams or Prophets and prostrate in front of their graves?
Where IN QURAN does it say that you can ask Ali for help and not Allah? **
After this, I don’t care what you post. You practice lying in your religion that is part of your faith. That is why you cannot be trusted with anything. Specialy with Islamic issues and references regarding Islamic issues. You provide most irrelevant references and hadiths, I ask you something else you present some irrelevant hadiths regarding totally different matter. Grow up you devient shias. COME TO QURAN ONLY QURAN AND SUNNAH OF PROPHET.
The practice of lying(taqiyyah) in the Shi’ite faith is a very common thing.
Dear Brothers and Sisters in Islam, what I am going to tell you is something that all of us muslims should know about the Shi’ites, this fundamental thing will show us why the Shi’ites can’t be trusted, and why the Shi’ites are such of an enemy to Islam, this article of the Shi’ite faith called Taqayyah (concealment, deception or lying) lets the Shi’ites betray us and lie about Hadeeth and the Quran, this is also why a Shi’ite can never be used as a witness, or why he can not narrate Hadeeth, I myself have when talking to Shi’ites have found out that they always lie about Hadeeth for example one of them told me that there was a Hadeeth in Bukhari cursing all of the sahabah, so I asked him for the proof and he said that he had it, so he gave me a page full of references, all which were irrelevant and have nothing to do with this hadeeth. Another Shi’ite once added on a verse to the quran and tried to tell me that this was the quran when I asked for references again he just refused to tell me, since then that Shi’ite has not been around since.
I also warn all you muslims against the “Muslim” chat rooms, as there are many Shi’ites in them, I have found way over 10 who were on at one time you see they pretend to be Sunni Muslims but they try to infiltrate us by quoting their false Hadeeth and try to mislead us, as they trully despise us Muslims. So dear brothers below is evidence that Shi’ites are allowed to lie and not only that, but encouraged to lie to us Muslims.
Here on gupshup, I have asked some of shi’ites to bring their proofs and references from Quran, but they cannot provide any. They have presented me with irrelevant verses from quran and fabricated hadiths.
Please note that the Shi’ites attribute the following to Abu Abdullah (Ja’far as-Sadiq):
“Mix with them(i.e. non-shia) externally but oppose them internally.” (Al-Kafi vol.9 p.116)** now this Shi’ite hadeeth means that they should mix with us and try to decieve us..It trully shows us Muslims what the Shi’ites are!
“He who conceals his religion has saved it, and he who makes it public has destroyed it.” now this contradicts the Quran as WILL be shown below.
“A believer who does not dissimulate is like a body without a head.” (Tafseer al-Askari) It is also interesting that the Shi’ites article of Faith “Taqayyah” is just like what the Talmudites (jews who follow the Talmud) say about the Goyyims (non-jews,) as all Talmudites say that they should lie to us non-jews..You see this explains a lot about the Shi’ites and their Similarities with the Jews as the Shi’ite sect was started by Abdullah bin Saba’. (a Jew who started the shi’ite religion, just with the intent of trying to destroy the Muslims…
“Nine tenths of religion is taqiyyah (dissimulation), hence one who does not dissimulate has no religion.” (Al-Kafi vol.9 p.110)
This shows us that Shi’ites have to lie to us as if they don’t then they will not be called Muslims by other Shi’ites…it shows us how sick is the Shi’ite faith.
Concerning the verse, “Verily the most noble of you in Allah’s sight is the most God-fearing (atqaakum)” , the Shia attribute the following interpretation of “atqaakum”: "That is, your deeds done by taqiyyah (dissimulation) (Al-I’tiqadat)
So as you can see, the Shi’ites beleive that they should decieve us with their lies, as the Shi’ites hate us, sunni muslims, by calling us worse than dogs…(“Although Allah, the Exalted, has not created a creature worse than a dog, yet a Nasbi (ie. A Sunni) is worse than even a dog.” here is the Shi’te book that this lie came from (Haqqul Yakeen (Persian) Vol 2, P. 516)
So my dear Muslims now you know just a small part of what the Shi’ites say in their books which insult the meaning of Islam with their superstisious ideas and horrible lies against the Sahabah. (the prophets Companions)
Now I will finish of with this magnicificant ayah from the Quran which shows us that Taqayyah (deception, lying etc) is forbidden in Islam.. and the Shi’ites practice this Taqqayah on us Muslims!!! so dear Brothers and Sisters in Islam, Allah states in the Noble Quran: **“Surely those who hide from people the clear proofs and guidance, which we clarified in the Book (Qur’an), will be cursed by Allah and all those who curse.” (2:159) **
And the statement of the Prophet (s.a.w) who said: **“Whoever is asked for knowledge and conceals it will have a bridle of fire around his neck on the Day of Judgement.” (Abu Dawood, Tirmidhi) **
So dear Brothers and Sisters, now Inshallah we can see beyond the Curtain concealing the Shi’ites true beleifs and not just the ones that they wishes to show us… Inshallah Allah will guide us to the truth and may we all see the Shi’ites for what they are… Ameen. Take it easy sir.
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PS: YOU may be servant of Ali, I am servant of Allah, indeed Ali was also servant of Allah, but you perceive not. You worship your Imaam, and I do/will worship my Allah. “to you, your religion and to me my religion” - of Mohammad and his sahaaba and what Allah revealed to Mohammad-the quran. ANd finally, YOU SHIAs can go to hell! Bye bye sir.
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GFQ believe me it hurts badly.
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Originally Posted by Shair30: I am not talking about one, many and I mean many saudis and pakistani wahabis I've met are doing these two things:
I have answered your question on the other thread. Whats more you are looking for?
PS 1: I don’t know how come you only found those people praying with boots on. How come no one has ever observed that. Certainly, a man is known by the company he keeps.
PS 2: Have you ever asked those (many) people why they were wearing boots while praying, or you just post this question to make a ridicule out of yourself?
PS 3: IF someone is praying with boots on, or off, what difference does it make? Is he/she is praying to You or Allah? I think its better to pray with boots on rather than not to pray even with boot off.
PS 4: If possible, please provide me the phone numbers of any/many people who pray with boots on, I will personally let them know about your frustration.
PS 5: Next time please talk with proofs. It’s a waste of time to answer your self-designed allegations.
PS 6: Now please don’t drag this debate-less topic for months, (like all your other threads).
Servant_of_Mohammad.saw
[This message has been edited by Zalim (edited October 25, 2000).]