Saudi Prince Suggests Causes for Terrorism

Poverty and unemployment among Arabs are fundamental reasons for the spread of terrorism, a Saudi prince said Sunday at the opening of a conference on small loans for the poor.

Well, guess what, we already have a thread at our forum in which we had a detailed discussion about the causes of terrorism along the same lines -

" Recruitment for Jihadi Organizations - Ideological compatability or economic pressure."

A lot of fellow guppies differed the idea/viewpoint but It seems like that arabic leaders are confirming the view point to some extent. I am also glad that the muslim world has finally started heading into the right direction with some serious introspection going on. And it is never too late…

Saudi Prince Suggests Causes for Terrorism

By FADI KHALIL
Associated Press Writer

October 10, 2004, 10:28 PM EDT

AMMAN, Jordan – Poverty and unemployment among Arabs are fundamental reasons for the spread of terrorism, a Saudi prince said Sunday at the opening of a conference on small loans for the poor.

The comments by Prince Talal bin Abdul-Aziz, brother of Saudi Arabia’s King Fahd, come as Arab leaders try to curb the spread of Islamic extremism throughout a region consumed by the American-led war in Iraq and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

“Unemployment creates one of the cornerstones of terrorism, and the poor who cannot get food on his table resorts to other means, which are involuntary human reactions,” the prince said while opening the four-day Middle East-Africa Microcredit Summit in Amman, Jordan’s capital.

Western officials have long urged Arab
governments to reform their societies and improve human rights records to remedy conditions believed capable of fostering terrorism.

Saudi Arabia, which terrorists have targeted in a series of attacks since last year, came under intense international pressure after the Sept. 11 terror attacks on the United States to reform its society and crack down on militants and their financial backers. Osama bin Laden and 15 of the 19 plane hijackers involved in the attacks were born in Saudi Arabia.

The government since has launched an aggressive crackdown on militants.

Sunday’s conference was organized by the Microcredit Summit Campaign, a Washington-based organization that tries to improve conditions in developing countries by facilitating loans to poverty-stricken communities.

The organization’s director, Sam Daley-Harris, said the conference aims to “highlight how the very poor can and are being reached with microcredit and will further highlight how large groups of poor people are moving out of poverty.”

Microcredit is a program of small loans and other financial services for the very poor that allows them to generate income. The loans can be as small as $20.

Daley-Harris said his organization launched a nine-year campaign in 1997 to reach 100 million of the world’s poorest families with credit for self-employment and other financial and business services.

Daley-Harris told The Associated Press that many of his organization’s female clients come from Muslim countries like Bangladesh and Indonesia. He said the program complied with Islamic practices banning interest rates offered for loans.

Jordan’s Queen Rania, an active campaigner for the organization, said microloans “support big ideas and means to abolish the obstacles which restrain the creative human soul and its will.”

Talal, one of the organization’s largest donors and president of the Arab Gulf Program for United Nations Development Organizations, promised to create an autonomous microcredit fund called the Arab World and African Microcredit Fund.

The fund, he said, will provide seed money and finance micro-enterprise developments throughout the Arab world and North Africa. He provided no further details.

"Poverty and unemployment among Arabs are fundamental reasons for the spread of terrorism"

Well poverty and unemployment is more wideapread in Afria. There is more to this.

It is true that povery is equally common in Asian and African cities.

The fact is that religious terrorist organisation are succesful in among Muslims.
If we agree to the article above, what to say about thousands of rich Muslims joining such organizations.
We will be near to the truth if we try to find out spritual reasons behind terrorism.

disagree. statistics show most terrorists are middle class to wealthy. why don't poor people in india or africa start blowing themselves up if this is the case? get real Prince and stand up against the haters in your country.

Osama Bin Ladin is poor and unemployed? Yeah right.

The real reason is hatred towards America and Israel for all the atrocities for last 50 plus years against Muslims of Palestine. Its just plain simple.

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disagree. statistics show most terrorists are middle class to wealthy. why don't poor people in india or africa start blowing themselves up if this is the case? get real Prince and stand up against the haters in your country.
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Really. Which statistics are you referring to?

The fact of the matter is that majority of the members of these terrorist organizations belong to poor families with no jobs. At least in Pakistan, majority of them belong to extremely poor families of interior Sindh, NWFP and Punjab villages. And yes, a lot of them are from poor Africa too. Who said that there are no Africans in these organizations? Dont you guys remember that the terrorits who were caught in gujrat last month were from tanzania. This is just one example.

No one is questioning that there is a sizable amount of ideological fanatics in these terrorist organizations that are wealthy and rich. That is why I am referring them as ideological fanatics. These people are the brains of these organizations and they have a certain agenda. Again, no one is denying the presence of such elements.

However, the people under discussion are those who execute the orders of these ideological fanatics or rich bosses. We are talking about the people who are ready to blow themselves or cut heads of innocent people. We are talking about the guys who blew themselves in Sailkot or Lahore and killed tons of innocent people. Of course, those guys do not belong to rich or even middle-class families. Of-course, those guys have very little education with no economic stability. We are talking about the all those who are part of these organizations because they have no hope in their lives. That is why they are ready to take their own lives.

The rich and wealthy guys you are referring to are sitting in their well-protected caves issuing the orders. However, if we can improve our society and bring more economic stability to it, it will be increasingly difficult for these rich and wealthy ideological fanatics to find hopeless guys who are ready to execute their orders.

Phoenix, I have to go off the topic a little. I have discussed Hindu religion with RSS people, especially who joined RSS at childhood. You know, I could convince them on most of the points of their fanatic attitude of religion, but in the end they always retreated and refused to agree.

The same problem I find among Muslims, especially who start learning Islam at childhood age at Madrisas.
I challenge that majority of Muslim terrorists have spent some of their childhood years at Madrisas.
Seeds poured into mind in the childhood will always blowup.

Poverty is off course a reason, but not the actual reason. The actual reason is ideology and its training style.

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Phoenix, I have to go off the topic a little. I have discussed Hindu religion with RSS people, especially who joined RSS at childhood. You know, I could convince them on most of the points of their fanatic attitude of religion, but in the end they always retreated and refused to agree.

The same problem I find among Muslims, especially who start learning Islam at childhood age at Madrisas.
I challenge that majority of Muslim terrorists have spent some of their childhood years at Madrisas.
Seeds poured into mind in the childhood will always blowup.

Poverty is off course a reason, but not the actual reason. The actual reason is ideology and its training style.
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Absolutely correct! Its all ideology. Poverty exists everywhere, but suicide terrorists come from fanatic beliefs.

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Absolutely correct! Its all ideology. Poverty exists everywhere, but suicide terrorists come from fanatic beliefs.
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OK FINE. we are already trying to modernize our maddarssas where these fanatic ideas are sown at the first place. However, once these moderate students will graduate from these madarrassas and there is absolutely no job for them, what do you expect they will end up doing? They will be contacted by these terrorist organizations to work for them for a good salary. And it does not apply to madrassas only. Fresh graduates from universities may act the same way if they do not find a proper outlet. The fact of the matter is that these terrorist organizations have a very aggressive recruitment program in place with handsome salaries and packages. These terrorist organizations have their agents in place in every major village and town to track jobless people. It may sound ridiculous but that is the way it is. They offer 20,000 to 30,000 pk rupees per month to these jobless people. The additional benefit of accepting such offers is to ‘commit jihad’ against “kaffirs” anyways. Many times the people who end up blowing themselves do not even know that they are on a suicide mission as many of these suicide mission are remote controlled.

Therefore, I agree that we need to modernize our madrassas system but at the same time we should make sure that the millions of young people are not wandering in streets with no jobs. Every one who end up working for these organizations is not a fanatic. Many times, it is poverty and No-Hope that pushes you towards a ditch of darkness.

^ very well said

Phonix, you have missed the point. Close down madrisas for children only, or do not send your minors to madrisas, and the problem will be resolved to much extent.
A Madrisa for elders does not play much role.

Once again I go off the topic. I have seen Hindus uncompromising on cast issue, but for other religious aspects they are indifferent.
You know why? It is very simple. Our parents tell us in our child age to remain away from low casts and these seeds disturb us thereabout our life. Whereas we do not have any Madrisa type system for minors we remain indifferent towards religious dogmas. (RSS is exception, as they pick up people from childhood).

Can you think or do something to keep Muslim minors away from Madrisa?

Spare me. How many of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi’s? Does this sound like poverty and ignorance?

Is Saudization a Fairy Tale?
Raid Qusti, [email protected]

For something slightly more than a decade, the Saudi community has been hearing the word “Saudization” — replacing a non-Saudi employee or worker with a Saudi employee or worker. Over the years, many of my foreign friends have said, “Raid, this is your country and the day will come when you must take over.”

As time passes, however, I sometimes wonder if “Saudization” is just a fairy tale. Is it just a fantasy that brings a smile to our faces but can never really be achieved? Will we ever have a 100 percent — or even 70 percent — Saudi work force?

Based on recent statistics from the Ministry of Labor, the simple truth is that the number of Saudis in the Kingdom’s private sector is no more than 500,000. The majority of private sector jobs are held by non-Saudis. And though we Saudis do not deny that it was foreign labor and foreign expertise that built the country’s infrastructure, we must realize that things would be better if we had developed our own country and taken on the responsibilities that we have so often pushed onto non-Saudis.

In order to achieve 100 percent Saudization we must first understand the reasons why we continue to depend on foreign labor and how we can overcome them. If we look around, we will realize that the majority of essential work is done by non-Saudis: Plumbers, electricians, bakers, construction workers, waiters, mechanics, salesmen, cooks and so on. The list is endless. In fact, it would be fair to say that over 90 percent of all blue-collar jobs are held by non-Saudis.

Unfortunately, the reason for that lies with what we call our culture, our tradition and even our ideology. There are still many Saudis who believe that it is beneath them and their prestige to work in these jobs and that those jobs were meant to be filled by non-Saudis. Ninety percent of nurses working in our public and private hospitals are non-Saudi. The reason for this is that, to a large extent, our society still disapproves of a Saudi woman working in a sexually mixed environment. Others will go so far as to say a woman who does so, despite the nobility of her calling and her work, is mingling sinfully with men.

Something else that many of us fail to realize is that all people were not created with the same mental and physical capabilities. If everyone had an IQ of 150 and was a college graduate, who would bake our bread, drive our buses, fix our cars, repair our leaky pipes or build our houses? Not everyone is able to be a doctor, lawyer, banker or computer engineer. There must be a balance in society. And any society’s balance can only be achieved from within its own groups.

Recently, I have heard from a Saudi friend who is a graduate of King Fahd University for Petroleum and Minerals that Saudization has gone so far in Saudi Aramco that there are now even community workers who are Saudis. That news put a smile on my face. A mathematician told me once: “No society in the world can really develop until the sweepers cleaning its streets are its own nationals.” I did not disagree with him.

It brought me great joy to read that the first group of Saudis graduated from the Saudi-Japanese Institute for Cars two days ago. Having undergone extensive training and with the cooperation of Japanese experts, those Saudis now have the necessary skills to be mechanics or service men and above all, raise their heads high, and say, “We are Saudis.”

It is sadly true that many Saudis are lazy. Many of them want a desk job and will go to any lengths to avoid hard work. Many of them want the easy way our and do not want to go the extra mile. Still I believe that it is only fair to say that there are ambitious young Saudis who have dreams and who are both reliable and hard working. With proper guidance and training, they could replace many non-Saudi employees in the private sector. This will never happen, however, if they are not given confidence, trust and above all, the chance to prove themselves.

Every year Arab News, along with its sister publication, Al-Eqtisadiah, publishes an annual list of the Top 100 Saudi companies. I wonder about the Saudization level in the majority of those companies, or if they even have training courses for Saudis. It’s a question worth finding the answer to.
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7&section=0&article=52455&d=6&m=10&y=2004

Sounds to me more like spoiled brats who find violent jihad a cool thing to do, as opposed to working at an everyday job.

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Spare me. How many of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi's?
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Actually some of the supposedly Saudi hijackers that were named by the US Govt. were actually commercial pilots employed by Saudi Airlines or just some other average Saudi. I know because I was in Saudi Arabia and they came on TV laughing at the stupidity of the US Govt.

Everyone knows the causes for terrorism, it's just that no one wants to acknowledge them or even do anything about it.

I am laughing at the stupidity of people who base their information on a very embarrassed Saudi Government:

Saudi Arabia acknowledged for the first time on Wednesday that 15 of the 19 hijackers in the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon were Saudi citizens, according to a report by chinadaily.com.cn.

“The names that we got confirmed that,” Interior Minister Prince Nayef said in an interview with The Associated Press. “Their families have been notified.”

Previously, Saudi Arabia had said the citizenship of the 15 hijackers was in doubt despite U.S. insistence they were Saudis

The causes for terrorism? Violent Jihad is cool. Radical Islamists want to kill people, and use the Quran as a shield for thier hate. Why overcomplicate this?

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*Originally posted by skhan: *Actually some of the supposedly Saudi hijackers that were named by the US Govt. were actually commercial pilots employed by Saudi Airlines or just some other average Saudi. I know because I was in Saudi Arabia and they came on TV laughing at the stupidity of the US Govt.

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We all know about the fair and balanced reporting in SA. Somehow people on TV in SA laughing about anyone's stupidity doesn't leave me 2nd guessing anyone.

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We all know about the fair and balanced reporting in SA. Somehow people on TV in SA laughing about anyone's stupidity doesn't leave me 2nd guessing anyone.
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Isn't that something similiar to what I see and hear every day on CNN.TV?!

Funny how fools who haven't even ventured outside their backyard are making statements about state of reporting in Saudi Arabia. Men, idenitified as hijackers along with their photographs are living peacefully in SA. Looks like the US made a boo boo somewhere!

Fellows, lets get back to the topic.....thanks

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Funny how fools who haven't even ventured outside their backyard are making statements about state of reporting in Saudi Arabia. Men, idenitified as hijackers along with their photographs are living peacefully in SA. Looks like the US made a boo boo somewhere!
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And they have never come out and told their story. I find this hard to believe.