Saudi Arabia can rescue Pakistan

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What an ....... piece of truth the article is.
Thank you Saudis, but here it is from a Pakistani F you sideways.

Extremism in Pakistan already cross the threshold of advance stage we are in continue decline state steadily, the only way go-forward is timely elections & peaceful transition which in current circumstances seems painfully impossible. Welcome to another lost decade, but to the enemies such as Saudis & West Pakistan will not fall apart even today when Hazaras are massacre left & right they are not burning our flags neither they are talking about leaving us. Its the countries like yours who support selective organizations to play your dirty games on our soil. God willing one day, we will take revenge of every single drop of blood.

If your country didn't have Makkah & Medina then i will see how can you spill such beans and then move on easily.

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beggars have to not only take such insults but also smile and say can I have one more! just think about how degrading the following actions of Pakistanis themselves are.

  1. How many leaders of government have flown to KSA begging papa there to mediate internal conflict or to save their skins or to provide refuge?
  2. Which country's leaders take oath of allegance to agreements in front of KSA king?
  3. Which country go in front of not even king but two levels below him, with written petitions for oil subsidy where the first reason shown is brotherhood in Islam?
  4. Which country has still not issued a single message / objection / request / warning when Saudi nationals are found inside Pakistan without any documents or visa and in most cases, along with known terrorists?
  5. Which country has not taken ONE SINGLE ISSUE with KSA for mistreating, beheading, or taking Pakistani workers as slaves and worst?
  6. Which country supplies slave labor in thousands to KSA but never once get one of their sheiks who take holidays thrice a year in Mumbai to take a holiday in Pakistan?
  7. Which country picks fights with neighboring Iran to please bosses in KSA?

beggars have to take insults along with alms, even if it is coming from other 3rd world bedouins

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I am not sure if the writer is just woefully ignorant or is deliberately trying to mislead others. The only way Saudi Arabia can "rescue" Pakistan is by stopping its nonstop funding to terrorists and ending its export of sectarianism and wahabism to Pakistan's madressas. Of course, the esteemed writer has not the gall to suggest this, living as he does in an oppressive Shia-hating kingdom with zero freedom of expression to boot. Pathetic.

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Saudis have recently given a lot of money to Malik Ishaq. Good brothers, eh?

Analysis: Violence against Hazaras in Balochistan – The Express Tribune

The Hazaras in Quetta want to bury their dead – but they can’t, because of the inflexibility of the government and the state in providing relief to a community which has been systematically targeted for a few years now.

The Hazaras, who are Shias and are distinguishable due to their features, have been a target for terrorist forces that want to eliminate them for political and religious-ideological reasons. Some political leaders have spoken about ‘foreign hands’ being behind the recent violence in Quetta. Such perceptions reflect a certain amount of cunningness and naivety; because the source of violence is in Balochistan itself. It has been a year or more since proscribed organisations like Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LeJ) and Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT)/Jamaatud Daawa (JuD) have been gathering in the province. They are collecting money and even recruiting people from their bases in Punjab, Sindh and Khyber-Pakthunkhwa for Balochistan. There are several explanations for this, varying from global, to geo-political, to domestic national security.
The LeT/JuD network does not adopt the same tone as some Deobandi militant groups, but the fact remains that it has not withdrawn a fatwa condemning Shias to death. A significant dimension of the LeJ ideology, on the other hand, is specifically against Shias. Many believe that the Hazara killings are an extension of the old Iran-Saudi cold war. **LeJ leader Malik Ishaq was recently given a stockpile of money during his visit to Saudi Arabia. **There are some who would like to discourage the economic benefits Iran reaps from Shia pilgrimages to holy places in the country. The pilgrims include many from Pakistan, especially the Hazaras. Some of Pakistani ‘hotshot’ analysts considered close to the GHQ have also written about Hazaras getting money from Iran as a possible reason for being targeted. There is a deep-set suspicion of Iran in Pakistan’s security establishment, which dates back to the confrontation over Afghanistan and the Taliban.
**However, the Iran-Saudi Arabia cold war dates back to the early 1980s and has resulted in targeted killing of both Sunni and Shias, but specifically mass killing of Shias in Pakistan. **It may not necessarily explain the recent hike in violence against Hazaras which is both an inadvertent and deliberate byproduct of the presence of LeT/JuD and SSP/LeJ networks in the province. But the ganging up of militants in Balochistan has certainly increased this Hazara-Shia violence. It is also ominous in many ways, such as for relations between the Hazara and Baloch communities. Moreover, it could also be a precursor of military intervention in the province as the Hazaras are currently demanding. This will generate its own set of violence against Baloch nationalists, and thus draw the wedge between the two communities even deeper.
The only way out is for the government to stop acting blind and cold-hearted, and to investigate these killings. The matter has gone too far for the government to sell the story of its helplessness. It must either stand and be counted or leave the show.
*Published in The Express Tribune, January *14[SUP]th[/SUP], 2013.

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dont be absurd, get a grip

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Its not my assessment, its from the article that I posted. The Saudis and Iranians can play Shia-Sunni as much as they want in their own countries, leave us alone.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/24/us-pakistan-militants-idUSBRE89N00W20121024

The risks are heightened by Pakistan’s long-standing role as a battlefield in a proxy war between Sunni Saudi Arabia and Shi’ite Iran, which have been competing for influence in Asia and the Middle East since the 1979 Iranian revolution.

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Pakistan is capable of dealing with its own problems it does not need any outside support. Support comes with strings attached, it serves the interests of others more than our interests. Musharraf started out well since nobody wanted to help Pakistan but as soon as 911 happened and the easy money started to flood in we became our complacent self again, and the country started regressing again.

We need to learn to stand on our own feet and to just depend on our own people. There is no shortage of talent in Pakistan but we just need to unleash that talent.

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Thank god for that. Im gonna go sprinkle some iodized salt on my lunch now.

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Two countries the Saudis can hurl the refuse onto so as to avoid any problems at home.

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Are you familiar with Rooh Afza and mineral water conspiracies?

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Pakistan simply does not know what to do with Saudis. We know they are part of the problem yet nothing could be done to neutralize their role in the country. It's a sad but harsh reality.

Haha my comment to Arab news was so heavily edited that it ceased to be meaningful.

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Thanks but no thanks

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You mean to say the free press of Saudi was so mean to you? :D I demand proof.

EB- in the comments section KamiP is my comment. They took out all instances of the word wahabi ideology, the proxy war with Iran in afghanistan etc etc.

The end of my comments they took out all references to Saudis as if the funding was coming from mars and the poor decisions were made by Zua only..

"Pakistan did not see the religious extremism until the 'mujahideen' were created in Pakistani madrases to fight the russkies and fed extremist ideology."

In the above sentence, it appears that mujahideen were conjured up by magic. All reference to Saudi money and ideology have been removed.

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Saudis follow a pathetic ideology that is only favored by Pakistanis. All they can do to help is give another injection of wahabism or some bribe to the Pakistani rulers, both of them will not Pakistan in its current situation.

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Should I be?

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^ its upto you to stay current on conspiracy theories or be disconnected :D

Even Saudis think that Pak is a nuisance…

When Saudis start thinking of Pakistan as a complete nuisance, it means things are really really messed up in Pakistan…Arabnews is an influential newspaper in the arab world followed closely by the political, military and bureaucratic establishment…a straight slap on Pakistan’s face but I cannot disagree with most of the stuff… although much appreciated had writer also pointed out saudi’s role in expanding religious bigotry in Pakistan..

Pak is quickly becoming a complete nuisance in the international community and now everyone including friends are getting sick of us … problem is that we are still not willing to listen…we still supporting terrorist militants, talibans, and nurturing concepts such as strategic depth in Afghanistan and using militants in Kashmir…and our masses (midle class, low class, high class..everone) are driven by conspiracy theories and are utterly radicalized against west…the writer is right..don’t see light at end of the tunnel!

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	 		 			 			 						Jamal Khashoggi
					 Saturday 12 January 2013
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	 		 		 			The safety and security of Saudi Arabia relies on an old strategy  that has remained unchanged over time despite leadership changes in  surrounding countries: There is the need for a strong Pakistan in the  east, and a powerful and stable Egypt in the west. The Kingdom should  maintain good and distinctive relations with these two countries, which  represent its two wings, so that it can fly safely in its foreign  relation endeavors.
This explains the positive attitude of the Saudi government toward  Egypt. The Kingdom has ignored campaigns of hype and skepticism fueled  by some writers, and perhaps by some officials, who are worried about  and affected by an isolated situation in the region that fosters  sensitivity toward the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood as the ruler of  the largest Arab country. Saudi Arabia is officially maintaining good  relations with Egypt. It is clear that Saudi Arabia sees Egypt as a  nation first, and then considers who is governing it. This is in sharp  contrast to those who consider the Muslim Brotherhood to be a defective  party, even at the expense of their direct and immediate interests in  the region.
Egypt is well and recovering, and our western wing is thus okay, but what about Pakistan?
There are many reasons for concern, and many things that Saudi Arabia  can do there. Pakistan does not need financial support because all the  money that goes there now will be lost. The United States, for example,  is tired of Pakistan, as it has spent more than $2 billion there  annually for the past several years, and yet no miracle was achieved;  Pakistan is still in a cycle of violence, poverty, corruption and  continuing failure. It is enough to make a comparison with India to  realize the full extent of the deteriorating situation in Pakistan. In  addition, while you can see the light at the end of the Egyptian tunnel,  there is no light in any Pakistani tunnel except a mass of flames  caused by the latest absurd suicide bombings.
The main problem lies in the mind of Pakistanis — my apologies, I know  that my friends there will not be happy over the remark — who have  increasingly given credence to all manner of conspiracy theories. For  example, Pakistanis do not consume salt because they believe that the  iodine content contains a chemical solution that causes infertility,  which will stop Muslims from procreating. They see it as part of a  Western-Indian plot against Muslims. This is not a joke or an  exaggeration, but rather a real health disaster that the Pakistani  Ministry of Health and the World Health Organization have addressed and  are trying to solve.
This rumor began spreading two decades ago, and successive governments  have been unable to refute it because Pakistanis usually do not trust  officials. Religious leaders have unfortunately promoted the rumor and  added a dimension of conspiracy to it by arguing that it is part of a  continuous war against Muslims. These leaders have not rejected the  rumor and warned their compatriots about the lack of iodine in their  food, as they should have done.
This is a serious case. It has been proven in a survey conducted by  academic and scientific authorities in Pakistan, including UNICEF  (United Nations Children’s Fund) and the Ministry of Health of Pakistan,  that iodine deficiency is one of the reasons behind the suffering of  half of the 200 million populace from serious health disorders, such as  miscarriage, goiter and mental retardation. Also, several reports have  linked symptoms such as lethargy, low IQ, and the low rate of  productivity in all Pakistanis, to the spread of this rumor. It is  believed that this has further damaged the fragile Pakistani economy.
A polio vaccine is another alleged plot to spread infertility among  Muslims. Not only is this a common belief but due to ignorance, poor  reasoning and mock jurisprudence, some “religious” Pakistanis kill other  Pakistanis, who are not even less religious than they are, just because  they are involved in the campaigns of UNICEF and the country’s health  authorities.
These are the same health campaigns that took place in Saudi Arabia,  Egypt and other Muslim countries and they have succeeded in eradicating  the disease. The Pakistani Taleban has killed nine men and women who  participated in this campaign, despite its noble goals. This resulted in  the Ministry of Health, UNICEF and voluntary associations stopping the  campaign for several weeks. Earlier this month, this campaign resumed  under the protection of armed police and volunteers. These are  unbelievable stories, but this is what happens when extremism goes  unchecked; it rears its head again in society.
Many blame the late President Zia ul-Haq for letting Satan out of the  bottle. He allowed and encouraged fundamentalist and jihadist ideas,  which has ancient roots in the Indian subcontinent since the famous  revolution against the British in the eighteenth century. These extreme  groups settled along the bordering areas with Afghanistan after the  British enclosed them. Their ideas remained dormant and they continued  looking for an opportunity to revive them, until the Afghan jihad  against the Russians, which awakened them. They did well there, and thus  Zia ul-Haq was encouraged to repeat the experience in Kashmir.
In the late nineties, I personally visited a training camp for  Kashmiris. Under the pretext of the liberation of Kashmir, the goal of  Zia ul-Haq and his effective “military intelligence” was to let them  loose on India, which is a historic problem of Pakistan. However, after  the Sept. 11 disaster, these extreme groups together with another Ul-Haq  group along the border areas transformed from being “undercover”  friends to enemies of the regime.
Extremism became the biggest disaster for Pakistan. It is in an  advanced state there. It has spread, intellectually and practically,  more in that nation than any other Muslim country. There are more  suicide operations there than any other Islamic country (figures only  challenged by Iraq). There is an online site that announces painful and  reliable figures on the network called “the counter of the dead in  Pakistan.” It noted that until last week, 369 suicide attacks were  recorded in Pakistan killing 5,329 people.
These operations occur in the mosques, markets, and public places, and  not only against army personnel. It is clear that the mufti of  Pakistan’s Taleban does not see anything wrong with a young man  committing suicide by blowing himself up in the public market or in the  central meeting place of the general population, or even in a mosque to  kill the targeted official. What sound reason can permit such an action?
Religious scholars in Pakistan are unable to do anything. Those who  speak out and criticize the Taleban are killed. Another large group of  scholars is opportunistic and employs religion in politics. These  scholars keep silent about the crimes of the Taliban, to employ them in  their conflict with the government. A third group has opted for safety  and remained silent.

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