Satan Bound for 1,000 years...

Koranic Eschatology

What will happen…

Satan Bound for 1,000 years, Koran: (7:11-18, 38:75-85, 78:20-25)

Satan Bound for 1,000 years, Book of Revelation: (20:2-10)

Satan Bound for 1,000 years, Koran

And We had created you, then We pictured/formed you, then We said to the angels: “Prostrate to Adam.” So they prostrated except Satan, was not from the prostrating. He (Allah) said: “What prevented/stopped/forbid you, that you not prostrate when/if I ordered/commanded you?” He (the devil) said: “I am better than him, You created me from fire, and You created him from mud/clay.” He (Allah) said: “So drop/reduce/decline from it, so (it) was not to be for you that you be arrogant in it, so get out/emerge, that you are from the subservient/humiliated/lowly.” He (the devil) said: “Give me time/delay me to a day they be sent/resurrected/revived.” He (Allah) said: “That you are from the given time/delayed.” He (the devil) said: “So with what you misguided/enticed me, I will sit/remain for them (in) Your straight/direct road/way.” “Then I will come to them from between their hands, and from behind them, and from/of/on their rights, and from/of/on their lefts, and You (will) not find most of them thankful/grateful.” He (Allah) said: “Get out/emerge from it expelled/degraded, expelled/driven away, whom followed you from them, I will fill Hell from you all/all together.” (7:11-18 )

He said: “You Satan, what prevented/prohibited you that you prostrate to what I created with My hands, did you become arrogant, or you were from the high and mighty?” He said: “I am better than him, You created me from fire and You created him from mud/clay.” He said: “So get out/emerge from it, so that you are cursed/expelled.” “And that on you (is) My curse/torture/expulsion to the Judgment Day/Resurrection Day.” He said: “My Lord so give me time/delay me to a day/time they be sent/resurrected/revived.” He said: “So that you are from the given time/delayed.” “To day/time (of) the time, the known.” He said: “So with Your glory/might, I will misguide/lure them all/all together.” "Except Your worshippers/slaves from them, the faithful/devoted. He said: “So the truth and the truth I say:” “I will fill Hell from you and from who followed you from them all/all together.” (38:75-85)

And the mountains were made to move, so it was/became a mirage. That truly Hell was/is an observatory/ambuscade. For the tyrants a return. Remaining/waiting in it long periods of time/centuries. They do not taste/experience in it cold/cool and nor a drink. Except hot water/sweat and decayed/rotten. (78:20-25)

Satan Bound for 1,000 years, Book of Revelation

And he laid hold of the dragon, the old serpent who is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, and threw him into the abyss, and shut him up, and sealed over him, that he should not still lead astray the nations, until the thousand years are fulfilled. And after these things, he must be set loose a little time. And I saw thrones, and they sat on them. And judgment was given to them, and the souls of the ones having been beheaded because of the witness of Jesus, and because of the Word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast nor its image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand. And they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is the one having part in the first resurrection. The second death has no authority over these, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with Him a thousand years. And whenever the thousand years are ended, Satan will be set loose out of his prison, and he will go to mislead the nations in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to assemble them in war, whose number is as the sand of the sea. And they went up over the breadth of the land and encircled the camp of the saints, and the beloved city. And fire from God came down out of Heaven and burned them down. And the Devil leading them astray was thrown into the Lake of Fire and Brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet were. And they were tormented day and night to the ages of the ages. (Rev 20:2-10)

Summary:

  1. Who rebelled?..Revelation, Satan…Koran, Satan
  2. What was Satan’s punishment for rebelling?..Revelation, bound and sealed in the abyss…Koran, time/delayed
  3. How long will this last?..Revelation, 1,000 years…Koran, centuries, the known time
  4. What will indicate when this time period is over?..Revelation, when the rest of the dead live again…Koran, the day when they are revived
  5. What is this period called?..Revelation, First Resurrection…Koran, Resurrection
  6. What will happen when the time period is up?..Revelation, Satan will be set loose a short time…Koran, Satan will come to them
  7. What will Satan do at that time?..Revelation, mislead the nations of the earth…Koran, misguide/lure them all together
    8 ) Do others then follow Satan’s deception?..Revelation, yes…Koran, yes
  8. Are there some that are not deceived?..Revelation, yes…Koran, yes
  9. Who are they?..Revelation, the witnesses to Jesus, the Word of God…Koran, the faithful worshipers
  10. What is the fate of Satan and all of those that he leads astray?..Revelation, Hell, lake of fire and brimstone…Koran, Hell

and the point is????
btw what rvelation r u talking of????

Greetings armughal,

Thanks for the reply…

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and the point is????
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The point is to show Muslims where their Koranic material comes from.

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btw what rvelation r u talking of????
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The Biblical Book of Revelation.

The one that dictates the Koranic material…

Thanks...

we all already know that Quran comes from Allah....
what new have u shown us????

P.S. if u write in a book that the sun rises from the East, and then i write in another book that the sun rises from the East, it doesnt mean i copied u, it just shows that i am stating a fact, and no matter who writes about the rising of the sun, will have to mention East, and there will never be any issue of copying or stealing information....

Greetings armughal,

Thanks for your reply…

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we all already know that Quran comes from Allah....what new have u shown us????
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I’m showing you that the Koran is composed of borrowed Biblical Material.

In particular, Book of Revelation material…

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P.S. if u write in a book that the sun rises from the East, and then i write in another book that the sun rises from the East, it doesnt mean i copied u, it just shows that i am stating a fact, and no matter who writes about the rising of the sun, will have to mention East, and there will never be any issue of copying or stealing information....
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This is great to hear!

Using this reasoning, then you will believe in the Biblical Book of Revelation.

Furthermore, if you believe in the Book of Revelation, then you will see that Jesus is God.

Since the Koran borrows the same deity ascribed unto Jesus in the Book of Revelation (and re-applies it to allah), then the only logical conclusion is that Jesus is God in the Koran, as well…

Thanks…

Apple,

Just for future reference, muslims not only believe in all Prophets (Peace be upon them all) before Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him), they also believe in the commandments revealed to the previous prophets - be it Psalms (Zaboor), Old Testament (Taurah), and New Testament (Injeel). Muslims believe that God Almighty revealed his message to all his messangers, and since there is just one God Almighty who is revealing this message, so the message is consistent, whatever book or messanger you look at. The historical references are the same.

Muslims also believe that Quran, is word-to-word revealed by God Almighty, and any additional sayings of the Prophet are recorded separately called ahadeeth. While the ahadeeth support the text in Quran, they are never considered the same as Quran. The same carefulness is not preserved in prior books, where the sayings of the Prophets may be interspersed with the words of God Almighty. Also, the text of the prior books may not necessarily have remain unaltered (at a minimum, they are mostly translated and not in their original language). This doesn't mean that we dispute everything in Bible... but we believe everything in Bible as true which Quran has certified. The rest we leave.

So, if you look carefully, you will find many instances where Quran and the Bible will be saying the same thing. Why? Because the author is the same.

Faisal - i agree with what you said ... the author is the same, but some humans have just changed it to fit their desires and wants.

apple - please don't try to change what people believe here in Gupistan ... i am sure these people have read the Quran and know better than you of what the Quran says about Jesus (PBUH) don't push it ... you might offend someone :-)

Greetings Faisal,

Thanks for your comments…

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This doesn't mean that we dispute everything in Bible... but we believe everything in Bible as true which Quran has certified. The rest we leave.
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Then…is it safe to add the Book of Revelation to this list of “certified” material?

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So, if you look carefully, you will find many instances where Quran and the Bible will be saying the same thing. Why? Because the author is the same.
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If the author is the same, then Jesus is God in BOTH books.

Thanks…

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*Originally posted by Apple: *
Then…is it safe to add the Book of Revelation to this list of “certified” material?

If the author is the same, then Jesus is God in BOTH books.
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Not just the "Book of Revelation"... but anything in Bible that is consistent with Quran is accepted. And anything in the "Book of Revelation" or any other book in the Bible that is inconsistent with Quran is left by muslims.

No where does the Quran endorses the point that Jesus (Peace be upon him) is God. Infact Quran calls him the messanger of God, and also tells us that God has neither a father nor son.

So any material in Bible that says that Jesus is God or son of God is not accepted by muslims. We believe that in his life-time Jesus, being a true messanger of God, brought the same message of monotheism and that there is only one God. This is the same message that is brought by all messangers from Adam (Peace be upon him) to Abraham (Peace be Upon him) to Moses (Peace be Upon him) to Jesus (Peace be upon him) to the last messanger, the messanger of Islam (Peace be upon him).

At the same time, you and other christians are free to believe whatever you chose to believe. If you believe that Jesus is your savior then by all means, be firm in your faith.

Greetings Faisal,

Thanks for your reply…

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Not just the "Book of Revelation"... but anything in Bible that is consistent with Quran is accepted. And anything in the "Book of Revelation" or any other book in the Bible that is inconsistent with Quran is left by muslims.
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Thanks for this admission…

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No where does the Quran endorses the point that Jesus (Peace be upon him) is God. Infact Quran calls him the messanger of God, and also tells us that God has neither a father nor son.
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Care to show ayahs that support your conclusion?

Thanks…

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At the same time, you and other christians are free to believe whatever you chose to believe. If you believe that Jesus is your savior then by all means, be firm in your faith.
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Yes…..it is nice to see that the Koran supports the Holy Bible in proclaiming the divinity of Jesus.

Thanks…

Apple, you have a good nick....only you get from apples to oranges in one sentence. :-)

Greetings Faisal,

Thanks for your comment…

I’ll take your reply as a declination to show the ayahs that “support” your position…

Thanks…

Quran is clear on the matter....
wonder if u ever read these verses or not....

Quran 5:72-77
They do blaspheme who say: "Allah is Christ the son of Mary." But said Christ: "O children of Israel! worship Allah my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other gods with Allah Allah will forbid him the garden and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help.
They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy) verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.
Why turn they not to Allah and seek His forgiveness? For Allah is Oft-forgiving Most Merciful.
**Christ the son of Mary was no more than an Apostle
; many were the Apostles that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth makes His Signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!
Say: Will ye worship besides Allah something which hath no power either to harm or benefit you? But Allah He it is that heareth and knoweth all things."
Say: "O people of the Book! exceed not in your religion the bounds (of what is proper) trespassing beyond the truth nor follow the vain desires of people who went wrong in times gone by who misled many and strayed (themselves) from the even way.

Greetings armughal,

Thanks for your reply…

Let’s look for ourselves what these ayahs have to say…

Those who said: "That Allah, He is the Messiah Mary's son," had disbelieved, and the Messiah, said: "You, Israel's sons and daughters, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord, that he who shares/makes partners with Allah, so He had forbidden on him the Paradise, and his shelter/refuge (is) the fire, and (there are) no victoriors/saviors to the unjust/oppressors." (5:72)

Laqad kafara allatheena qaloo inna Allaha huwa almaseehu ibnu maryama waqala almaseehu ya banee isra-eela oAAbudoo Allaha rabbee warabbakum innahu man yushrik biAllahi faqad harrama Allahu AAalayhi aljannata wama/wahu alnnaru wama lilththalimeena min ansarin

Those who said: "That Allah (is) third (of) three." had disbelieved, and (there is) no Allah except from one Allah, and if they do not end/stop from what they say, a painful torture will touch (E) those who disbelieved from them. (5:73)

Laqad kafara allatheena qaloo inna Allaha thalithu thalathatin wama min ilahin illa ilahun wahidun wa-in lam yantahoo AAamma yaqooloona layamassanna allatheena kafaroo minhum AAathabun aleemun
So do they not repent to Allah, and they ask Him for forgiveness, and God (is) forgiving, merciful. (5:74)

Afala yatooboona ila Allahi wayastaghfiroonahu waAllahu ghafoorun raheemun

The Messiah Mary's son is not except a messenger, the messengers had past/expired from before Him, and his mother (was) always very truthful, they were eating the food; look/see how We clarify/explain to them the signs/evidences, then look/see where they be turned away . (5:75)

Ma almaseehu ibnu maryama illa rasoolun qad khalat min qablihi alrrusulu waommuhu siddeeqatun kana ya/kulani alttaAAama onthur kayfa nubayyinu lahumu al-ayati thumma onthur anna yu/fakoona

Summary of 5:72-75:
1) People had disbelieved that God (god in the case of the Koran) is the Messiah (Jesus)
2) Jesus told the people to worship God, his Lord and theirs
3) Jesus tells them not to share partners with God
4) The disbeliveers said that God is a third of three
5) There is only one God
6) Jesus is a messenger

Conclusion:
1) Muslims are those people that disbelieved that God is the Messiah (Jesus)
2) Jesus tells people to worship God (the Father), as stated in the NT
3) Jesus tells them not to share God, as stated in the NT
4) Disbelievers say that God is a Third of Three, confirming what the Holy Trinity is not
5) There is only ONE God, as dictated by the Holy Bible
6) Jesus was sent by God.

Reference:
(Joh 17:3) And this is everlasting life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.

Thanks…

:hehe: Apple dude… you are hilarious. Seriously.

Ditto.

Apple, do you believe Quran is a book of divine revelation or was our Prophet (Muhammad) a pretender?

:smack2: oyyye MAAMMOOOO… Jesus is NOT God. Everything is so clear. But you’re twisting the words of Quran to express your own opinion.

For you once AGAIN!!!

Qul Hu Wallahu Ahad.
Allahu ssamad.
Lum Yalid Walum Yulad.
Walum Ya Qullahu Qofowan Ahad.

Period!!!

Dont take too long to understand this simple fact and become a muslim, shabash. May Allah guide you to the truth, Amen.

Apple

I think brothers Faisal and Armughal broke it down real neatly for you, but you still refuse to accept.

What more do you want. Blood out of a stone?